September 2002 posts
So what do you think the Scrappy Gang will do?
-- Charles Phipps, 16:37:21
09/25/02 Wed
I personally think they won't play much of a part in the new season
but mostly be there as sort of a weird comical mirror on Dawn
and Buffy's adventures and perhaps they'll all get brutally murdered
in some horrofic way to remind Buffy that the Slayer having friends
(or anyone having friends on the Hellmouth) may be a bad idea.
They might also push Dawn into heroics and otherwise be like Scrappy
:-)
[> I think they'll be Dawn's
friends. -- HonorH, 16:45:39 09/25/02 Wed
No, just that.
[> For one thing, motivate
a lot of the action this season (spec) -- verdantheart, 06:09:47
09/26/02 Thu
Here's my guess:
I thought it was interesting that they were the three that were
isolated by the manifest spirits and they were all the interesting
characters identified by the new principal. It certainly was no
coincidence that the spirits were targeting Dawn, so I think that
there might well have been some reason that they were targeting
Kit and Carlos as well. Also, it seems that they were more interested
in those three than in Buffy (who was presented with distractions,
first in the form of the spirits, then Spike). Go on to the end
and note that the thing that seems to be the motivating force
here is most interested in power--something that Dawn is literally
made of.
'Course, it's early yet, I could be way off on my guess!
[> They will need saving
alot.. -- neaux, 12:39:11 09/26/02 Thu
A good reason to introduce new characters is to have someone for
the hero to save.
Buffy does save the world alot.. but she also saves the same people
over and over and over again..
I think its about time Xander, Willow, Giles, and Dawn quit being
the save-ees and focus more on being saviors. c'mon they got 7
years of experience.
let the new kids be stupid and meddlesome.. and get saved
Existentialism
vs. Postmodernism in the Season 7 opening (long!) -- Slain, 19:27:44
09/25/02 Wed
Okay, I only got to see the episode, hmm, one hour ago, but I'm
already trying to link it into the two things I've been thinking
about recently - existentialism and postmodernism. There's no
way I'm going to sleep tonight until I've written this down. So...
I'm convinced that last season was The Existential Season. I was
the season where the group dynamic and relationships fell apart
- where other people weren't able to help others, they were forced
to always help themselves. Whereas, in contrast, the show is generally
postmodern. Not incompatiable concepts, but it has the key effect
that 'dramatic' aspects of the show compete with monsters and
demons and ass-kicking. In Season 6, there was generally no postmodern
feeling; the show wasn't really about vampires, horror, humour
or wit, it was centred around the individuals, and their quests
for an authenic existence (cue existentialism).
Picking up from this, and with an expressed intention to get back
to the postmodern lightness, 'Lessons' has an interesting job.
Willow has guilt, Spike has guilt, Buffy has guilt and Dawn has
school; all rather heavy, all things which apparently need lots
of dramatic space, and lots of scenes in which the characters
come to terms with the unanswered questions of Season 6.
I was deeply impressed by the way the two strands were handled
in the episode. On one hand, Willow and Giles' scenes are all
about Willow's individual journey, and deeply focussed around
this character; perhaps the extreme postmodern reaction would
be "Oh, get over it" - that is, postmodernism could
favour lightness ever existential pondering. But the scene isn't
shot in the dark, interior style of Season 6. It's deliberately
open, bright, and a departure from the paradoxical darkness of
Season 6 Sunnydale. Equally, it presents a cliched, countrified
view of England; this is deliberate, because postmodernism embraces
genre and cliche. The postmodern style of the scene lightens the
mood.
As a postmodern show, Buffy was always concerned with reconstructing
genre features; now it's stepped up a level, and is beginning
to reconstruct itself. With the return of high school, Dawn in
training and the apparent emergence of the Scrappy Gang (I know
Joss will love that term), we see Buffy Year One. Or, rather,
we see Buffy postmodernising on it's own ass, so to speak.
Genre features are embraced again, with reassuringly familiar
zombies and a vampire rising from his grave in time-honoured fashion.
In Buffy style, they're reinterpreted, with the polite vampire
and teenage zombies. There's nothing particularly existential
about the main plot of 'Lessons'.
Spike, however, was always the most obvious existential character;
despite being a vampire, he was usually exempt from postmodernism.
He's a vampire, but he doesn't conform to any genre features,
and he's far from a reinterpreted archetype. His internal struggle
is made explicitly so by Buffy's leaving him alone; Buffy returns
to the more postmodern world of Dawn and the Scrappies. However,
Spike's struggle isn't internalised in the same way. Existentialists
hold that no one can help you through your own life; but Spike
is beset, and influenced by, various demons (real or imaginary?).
Spike's struggle is taken into a more literal world with these
manifestations; these demons are themselves postmodern, as they
look back, the show recalling and reinterpreting itself.
It seems to me that this episode, and probably the beginning of
Season 7, mark a transition between two dominant modes: existentialism
to postmodernism. We will see more about the struggles of the
character (mostly Willow and Spike, I think), but I think the
way that they'll be resolved would be different.
An existentialist would say that the only way Willow could come
to terms with her actions would be from herself, not through others
or through magic; in Season 6, it was Willow who took herself
away from magic; but in Season 7, Giles, the earth and magic itself
seem to be what will bring her back to 'being Willow again'. She
has an internal struggle, but it's not solely internal any longer.
Other people aren't the percieved problem (wrongly so or not),
they're the solution.
So, for Spike, I'd argue that it is a combination of other people
(Buffy, possibly Scoobies?) and some kind of genre feature (demon-fighting,
magic?) which will allow Spike to comes to terms with events in
Season 6.
[> Re: Existentialism vs.
Postmodernism in the Season 7 opening (long!) -- Xaverri,
20:31:23 09/25/02 Wed
Fabulous analysis, Slain! I enjoyed every letter of it.
[> Is Spike postmodern?
-- Indri, 23:32:36 09/25/02 Wed
Thank you for the essay. If I may recap, to ensure that I understand
you?
The existentialist mode is characterised by inner struggle. The
postmodern mode is characterised by struggle with elements outside
the self and by genre play.
(For my own edification at least, perhaps you could point me in
the direction of a good definition of postmodernism. I understand
the genre play aspect, but had not come across the "outer
threat" aspect, if I am understanding you right. Would be
much appreciated.)
Spike, however, was always the most obvious existential character;
despite being a vampire, he was usually exempt from postmodernism.
I have always thought of Spike as postmodern, at least in terms
of genre play and use of metanarration. He was brought in as a
cardboard villain for the first half of Season 2 and obeyed at
least three major conventions of serial narratives (TV, comics
etc). Firstly, he was a villain smart enough to hatch a plan that
puts the heroes in genuine peril, but this peril is then lessened
through some act of stupidity on his part so that the heroes may
more easily save the day ("School Hard,"Lie to Me",
"Harsh Light of Day","Yoko" and "Out
of My Mind" at least). Secondly, he and Buffy often part
after fighting (without pursuit) for little narrative reason except
that the recurring villain is required to fight another day. Thirdly,
he looked the part and had the attitude. But ME have then gone
out of their way to deconstruct this (or has deconstruction got
nothing to do with postmodernism?---see, I need help here!). His
last-minute bouts of stupidity are fleshed out as due to believable
and crippling impulsiveness. The continued and unlikely survival
of both Buffy and Spike has been developed into a peculiar rapport
and/or one-sided obsession (shipper or nonshipper, whatever).
And the whole "Big Bad" look and posturing has been
relentlessly lampooned, e.g. in the scene in which he's waiting
for his nail varnish to dry.
In terms of metanarration, he sometimes acts as an almost authorial
voice (his oft-quoted speeches) or even as the fan voice ("The
Annoying One" and his insulting of Glory in "Intervention").
In fact, his introduction in "School Hard" seemed to
be a deliberate subversion of what we thought we knew about unsouled
vampires from Season One. In contrast to the Master, he is physically
mobile (drives a car), has human traits (fondness for Dru, smoking,
TV), and modern (the video camera, death of the Anointed One).
And since then, he has been one of the focal points for the reimagining
of the Buffyverse and its morality.
He's a vampire, but he doesn't conform to any genre features,
and he's far from a reinterpreted archetype.
Do you mean he's not a reinterpreted vampire archetype?
Because I can think of other archetypes and stereotypes that Spike
has been built from, or acquires aspects of. And William, from
what we can teel from his brief appearances in "Fool for
Love", is a perfect archetype.
Anyway, I suspect that I do actually agree with you but that I'm
muddling some terms and definitions. Would appreciate input, especially
as this is my first long post. Thanks.
Metanarration,
Antimatter, and the Unmirrored Universe Before the Big Bang -
Thoughts on *Lessons* -- OnM, 21:17:51 09/25/02 Wed
*******
Buffy: So, whoís got the power, Dawn?
Dawn: Well, Iíve got the stake.
Buffy: The stake is not the power.
*******
Dateline: Thursday, September 19, 2002 Posted: 10:08 AM
EDT (1408 GMT)
Physicists brew antimatter to test Big Bang theory
(exerpts)
LONDON (Reuters) -- European scientists have developed enough
antimatter to try to answer one of the
great questions of Big Bang theory, researchers said. Scientists
think the Big Bang that created the cosmos
about 15 billion years ago produced equal amounts of matter and
antimatter. But the antimatter, in which
subatomic particles have the opposite electrical charge to matter,
disappeared just after the Big Bang.
Now researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research
(CERN) in Geneva have created
large amounts of antihydrogen -- the partner to hydrogen in antimatter
terms -- to test the standard models
of physics and help discover where the antimatter went.
ìThis is a milestone that has opened up new horizons to
enable scientists to study symmetry in nature and
explore the fundamental laws of physics which govern the universe,î
Professor Michael Charlton, of the
University of Wales who worked with the CERN team, said Wednesday.
Charlton said the breakthrough is timely because it coincides
with the centenary of the birth of Paul Dirac,
the British-born scientist who first predicted in 1930 that every
particle has an equivalent antiparticle.
( Copyright 2002 Reuters ) - http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/09/19/antimatter.reut/
*******
Buffy: Vampires, demons... theyíre nothing compared
to whatís coming.
Dawn: I know. I canít believe itís back.
Buffy: Believe me, I thought I was long past it. I guess you
never are. Just a few more days till it starts,
and then weíll never know whatís coming next.
*******
Metanarration, much?
Back in the second episode of season five, The Real Me,
a sequence of dialog takes place that, if
interpreted with a certain degree of foresight pretty clearly
foreshadows what is to happen over the course
of the season. The writers, as it were, tipping their hand just
a mite to the more obsessively serious fans in
the audience.
Natuarally, I didnít interpret it as such at the time,
but only noticed it at all with the convenience of
hindsight. In addition, to be perfectly fair, the interpretation
that suggests the foreshadowing could be held
to some degree of skepticism by a disinterested individual; say
a casual viewer of the show who isnít
looking for deeper meanings and who also tends to think that over-analysis
is a form of auto-eroticism for
the mind with too much free time on its lobes.
Well, I accept that, being a skeptic about more than a few things
myself, but Buffyverse-wise I still stand
by my convictions in this regard. The instance in Real Me
wasnít the only one, either. Last year, in
the season-opening episode Bargaining, the scene with Buffy
and Dawn up on the tower
foreshadows the remainder of the sixth season in an elegantly
microcosmic fashion. Buffy has been cast out
of paradise, she longs to die again and return to that bliss.
Live, for me, her sister/ëchildí pleads
with her. And she does, and eventually learns to live for herself
as well.
Perhaps Western religious thought has gotten it all wrong all
along. Perhaps it wasnít the first woman and
first man that were cast out of paradise, perhaps it was God.
Or maybe God just left it one day, and never
looked back. Or perhaps s/he did look back with great longing,
but also bound with the thought that as
long as Evil exists in the universe, it isnít the design
of the virtuous just to small-mindedly retreat into bliss.
The first episode of the 7th season of Buffy has presented
us with a vision of a heroine who has
faced the darkness and existential despair of the human world,
and still turned her back to a heavenly
reward in order to help make the darkness lighter where mortality
rules. The person we see depicted in
Lessons is a new Buffy, still young, but carrying a new
confidence and maturity. Better yet, her
sister/daughter is newly confident and powerful along with her,
and itís a delight to behold.
If the general quality of any given Buffy ep can be approximated
by the number of times you eagerly
re-watch the tape before you even begin to suss out the subtexts,
this new beginning is off to a great start.
My initial impression on first viewing would place the show at
a solid 8 on a 0-10 scale, based on no more
than the superb cinematography and editing, the clean, fast-moving
pace, and of course Whedonís
marvelous script. Iím currently up to four repeat viewings,
the rating is up to a solid 9, and Iím discovering
new layers and linkages each and every time, all marvelously clever.
In addition, there is more overall
metanarration than I can recall the use of in any previous BtVS
program, but at the same time itís so
seamlessly blended you are rarely consciously aware of it until
that ëHuh, wait a minute now...í
neuron fires in your forebrain.
Some of the professional media critics who were able to preview
Lessons took note that unlike last
year, the show offers a simple-enough-appearing surface level
that someone mostly unfamiliar with the
program could still follow along without getting hopelessly lost
in a sea of context-deprivation. I not only
agree with this, but Iíll go a step further. If you hook
a friend or aquaintance on the show this year, this
episode is going to blow their minds when they catch the first
rerun of it, and begin to realize how skillfully
they were tricked into thinking it was only about a teenage girlís
first year in high school, and how those
spooky creatures were roaming around in the basement.
Joss has done something quite unique with this episode, something
perfectly in keeping with his stated goal
of giving the showís fans ëwhat they needí.
The twist is that, after years of torturing us with trying to
decipher the hidden clues needed to prognosticate the ultimate
conclusion of the season, he has quite
suprisingly given us the answer to what is usually a carefully
guarded secret until a goodly ways into the
year. This in itself seems like a kind of heresy-- Joss hates
spoilers, has said so publicly many times. He
likes to keep the viewing audience on the edge of the couch, ëleaning
forward and thinkingí as we heard
James Marsters so succinctly put it.
But I donít think this is a heresy, I think it is a reward.
We have followed his epic adventure for six years
now, hanging over every subtle nuance, absorbing all of the detailed
shades of meaning, following the clues
into what seems like one blind alley after another. We follow
our heroine through heaven and high water,
and end up just as confused as ever. And then itís suddenly
clear. Not the ultimate ending, of course, but at
least what the final battle will be. Of course, I could be wrong.
But I will say in my defense that while he
may have ëspelled it outí, the word still wonít
scan except for the seriesí most hard-core fans.
So
whatís the scoop?
The First Evil has returned. Conveniently appearing to
bring Angel out of the hell dimension he was
banished to at the end of season two, The First Evil vanishes
again when challenged by Buffy, who
subverts itís plans to turn Angel evil or, failing that,
destroy him. It seemed like such an easy victory
against an entity that that ëthe darkness itself fearsí,
and I think that was the point. The viewers were
intended to eventually forget about the First Evil, and the ease
of itís ëdismissalí was likely a red herring.
Joss has stated that the ëthemeí for Buffy, Year
7 will be ëBack to the Beginningí. And
so it
is. But it isnít about revisiting Buffy, Year 1--
oh no, dear friends, itís about revisiting the beginning
of space and time, the void from which all matter and energy,
all good and all evil sprang forth. It about
where the First Evil came from, and-- I strongly suspect-- itís
metaphysical ëanti-matterí counterpart.
Itís about The Key. This is all completely conjecture of
course, and for certain itís pretty risky conjecture
since we are all of one episode out from of a grand total of 22.
But Iíll credit the argument its source in
just a little while, for now I want to have you consider the following
possibility:
The monks who formed the human Dawn out of the natural energy
of the Key, and then sent her to The
Slayer for safekeeping were more than just desperate to keep the
Key from the clutches of the Beast. They
were attempting to achieve a higher purpose, because somehow they
knew-- or at least strongly
suspected-- what the Key really was.
The Key, I am thinking, isnít just ëa green glowy
energyí, or simply a means to open dimensional
doorways. The Key is the elemental substance of creation,
the source from which the universe and
the beings that eventually inhabit it came into being. The Key
isnít ëGodí, it is what gods were born out
of. The Key is not merely ancient, The Key is the beginning
of time itself. The Key is the ultimate
progenitor of life, be it Evil or Good.
To the hellgoddess Glory, the Key was a means to open the barriers
between all the dimensions and allow
them to bleed together. Glory sought chaos, death and suffering,
so the tragic results of mass-opening the
dimensional barriers did not concern her, but perhaps she didnít
know that her actions might have lead to
the ultimate dissolution of the entire universe. That didnít
seem to be her intent-- she just wanted to
return to her own hell-dimension and re-assert her power there.
So, my conjecture is that this is the goal to which the First
Evil aspires. It would seem to be a logical
progression-- Buffy has saved ëthe worldí several
times over, and in the case of her battle with Glory, she
may have saved many of the other worlds within the multitudes
of other dimensions that could have been
folded into one. But the entire universe? That might take a level
of power beyond what even a hellgod
could wield, but perhaps the First Evil could arrange for this
to occur. The idea would make sense from
Evilís perspective-- it feels that it it is losing to the
powers of Light, so itís time to create a new ëbig
bangí
and start over again, molding the new universe in its image alone.
Now, for some observations to back up this admittedly wild idea:
1) The opening scene in Istanbul, the meaning of which is not
answered in this episode. Who were the
hooded figures? Why were they chasing the woman, and why (presumably)
did they kill her? She seemed
to carry some aura of power or strength about her. Was she a potential
Slayer? Is one of the seasonís
major subplots a concerted effort by The First Evil to kill off
all the potential future Slayers?
2) The opening scene in Sunnydale, where Buffy lectures Dawn about
ëpowerí, and who has it.
3) The ëresentful deadí, who mock Buffy for not preventing
their deaths, and then attack Dawn and two
other students who, it seems, may have a destiny of some kind
together-- perhaps a new, younger Scooby
gang?
4) Anya and Halfrek in the coffee shop, where Hallie remarks that
something ëhas everyoneís (meaning
demons etc.) tail in a twitchí and ëit doesnít
look like a good time to be a good guyí.
5) The manifestations that appear to the (mad?) Spike, and the
words that they say to him. This is a truly
scary scene, especially when the final figure appears before his
eyes, and that figure is Buffy. Here it is:
Spike: I had a speech. I learmed it all. Oh God, she wonít
understand, she wonít understand.
(Manifestation of ) Warren: Of course she wonít understand,
Sparky. Iím beyond her understanding.
Sheís a girl, sugar and spice and everything... useless
unless youíre baking. Iím more than that. More than
flesh
(morph to Glory)... more than blood. I am-- you know what,
I honestly donít think thereís a human
word fabulous enough for me! Oh, my name will be on everyoneís
lips, assuming their lips havenít been
torn off. But not just yet. But thatís all right, though.
(morph to Adam) I can be patient. Everything is well within
parameters. Sheís exactly where I want her
to be. So are you, Number 17. Youíre right where you belong.
(morph to Mayor Wilkins) So whatíd you think, you get
your soul back, and everythingíd be
Jim-dandy? Soulís slipperyír than a greased weasel,
whyíd you think I sold mine? (laughs) Well, you
probably thought youíd be your own man, and I respect that.
But you
(morph to Drusilla) never will. Youíll always be mine--
youíll always be in the dark with me. Singing
our little songs. You like our little songs, donít you?
Youíve always liked them, right from the beginning.
And thatís where weíre going.
(morph to The Master) Right back to the beginning. Not the
Bang... not the Word... the true
Beginning. The next few months are going to be quite a ride. And
I think weíre all going to learn
something about ourselves in the process. Youíll learn
youíre a pathetic schmuck... if it hasnít sunk in
already. Look at you... trying to do whatís right. Just
like her. You still donít get it. Itís not about
right.
Itís not about wrong.
(morph to Buffy) Itís about power.
Itís been a long time since I felt a chill when watching
a horror/suspense movie, but the calm, casual look
on ManifestBuffy when she speaks those three little words really
sent one through my body, not the least
of which was from the accompanying surprise when she appeared
so unexpectedly in this vision. It became
obvious after the transitions from Warren to Glory to Adam and
so on that we were ëregressingí back
through the past seasons of the show, hearing thoughts spoken
by/through them, the ëbig badsí of the
repective eras of Buffyís time as Slayer.
But then the Master disappears, and Buffy appears, and
speaks of ëpowerí. What other entity
besides the First Evil would use this modus operandi? Itís
exactly like the way it tortured Angel by
appearing in the visage of Jenny and others that he killed when
he was Angelus. It also excoriated him for
not ëbeing what he wasí, just as the manifestations
excoriated Spike for his supposed ëfailureí.
Ya know, this could be one heck of a season! Joss has spoken of
a season-ending battle like no other
before it, and the man does not lie. (Except when he wants to,
of course. So not going there! ;-)
Of course, I could be-- and likely am-- completely wrong. As such,
letís leave the grand visions that Iím so
inordinately fond of alone for a while, and get back to some of
the more ëmundaneí, but still delightful
aspects of this seasonís wonderful opening act.
As I mentioned before, the high quality of the cinematography
and film editing work really stood out to
me, especially the latter. Scene transitions were handled with
a level of skill and artistry that was
exceptional even by normal BtVS standards. Particularly effective
were the ëmirroringí shots, reinforced by
the dialog. This is why the matter/antimatter idea popped into
my head around the third re-viewing of the
show. First, the story opens with a scene of evil triumphing halfway
around the world from Sunnydale,
then we see the forces of good winning a battle that ëbalancesí
it as Dawn and Buffy dust a vamp. This is
followed by the theoretically ëneutralí act of the
rebuilding of Sunnydale high, but as we hear from Buffyís
comment just before, it is an occurrance with bad portents at
minimum.
We see a scene with Willow and Giles in England. I now pause briefly
to give myself just a little pat on the
back in that I was correct in predicting that the coven wouldnít
remove Willowís powers, and that instead
they want her to learn how to control them. I liked Gilesí
line that ëthis isnít a hobby or an addiction
anymore, itís part of what you areí. I have always
thought that theWillow ëmagic addictioní arc was not
an
end in itself, it was a transition period through which Willow
had to pass, just Buffy has had to face and
come to rise above and control her own weaknesses. As long as
Buffy intends to be the Slayer, her
responsibilities require her to mature and learn control, to prove
she is stronger than her. Willow needs to
do the same, she has too much power to do anything else. I expect
it will take her quite a bit of time to
learn to live with what she has done, and I liked that the wardrobe
and makeup departments did a fine job
of assisting Hannigan in portraying the fear and weariness shadings
she needed to bring out.
There was the nice transition between Giles telling Willow that
ëwe always are who we are, no matter how
we appear to have changedí, and then a cut to Xander, dressed
neatly in a suit, getting out of his car in
front of the Summersí house.
At the center of the ëbalanceí is Buffy and Dawn,
who appear to have used the summer months to really
closely bond with one another. The interplay in the fight scene
the night before clearly shows that Buffy is
living up to her promise to ëchange thingsí, and to
treat Dawn like a responsible adult instead of a whiny,
annoying child. Also as I predicted (yay me again! OK, sorry...)
Dawnís previous erratic behavior did
indeed appear to be a reflection of Buffyís inner turmoil
and depression. Now that Buffy is ësolidí and
ënormal againí, so is Dawn, who is treating her sister
with admiration and respect, but not in a saccharine
way-- there is a give and take quality that both women appear
to expect and accept. I also loved the big
grin and the eager look when Buffy presents Dawn with her ëback-to-schoolí
gift, which Dawn quickly
guesses is ìa weapon?î Iím telling
you, that was a ëFaith momentí if ever there was one.
I liked the
diamond pattern with lights and darks and shadings that Dawn was
wearing (as opposed to Buffy in
white/light colored clothing), which also goes hand-in-hand with
my Dawn = Buffy + Faith theorem.
I liked the little real-world touch that many parents would like
to send their children to a better school, but
simply canít afford it, and have to make do the best they
can by staying closely involved with the school
and itís staff. I thought it was classy of Dawn to allow
Buffy to ëwalk herí to the school, waiting until
bacically the last possible moment to tell Buffy ìíServing
Humanityí is a cookbook, I love you, now go
away!î
Then there is the principal, Robin Wood. Robin Wood? Robin
Wood/Robin Hood, take from the
ërichí (evil) and give to the poor (good)? Wood =
stake = danger to vampires? Wood = tree = tree pretty,
meaning heís a good guy? Interesting name choice, and nice
to see another African-American in the
Buffyverse. He does seem to be a potential good guy, and as the
show progressed, I couldnít help but
wonder just how much he does know about the Summersí
women, especially Buffy.
Lessons carries through in a more solid fashion with a
theme that has appeared before, but in a far
more erratic manner, namely the ways in which Dawnís personality
differs from Buffyís. One amusing
difference is that Dawn doesnít ësuck at undercoverí--
witness the incident where Buffy bursts into Dawnís
first class and then makes up the intensely feeble excuse about
ëfear of you smokingí. Later, when the dead
student manifests himself and stabs Dawn in the eye, despite experiencing
something that would totally
freak any normal individual and render them a babbling idiot,
Dawn takes only seconds to make up what
was actually a really clever-- and believable-- excuse, with the
ëa bee flew into my eye, and Iím really
allergicí. She then realizes that itís time to get
out of the class and do some ëresearchí, as well as
collect
her thoughts and focus.
The cell phone as the ëweaponí, or more accurately
the ëweaponí at the other end of the call,
was a
great touch, as well as giving a little nod to the X-Files, where
Mulder and Scully were inseperably linked
by the device for the course of numerous adventures.
Dawn and Kitt fall into the basement, and we see Giles and WIllow
in England, Willow showing great fear
after having seen ëthe Earthís teethí, a clever
use of dark visionary terminology that mirrors her ëall
connectedness, Gaia, moleculesí speech earlier. The beautiful
camera work as the lens pulls back through
the doorway, then recedes into the hall outlining the door frame
and the dark/light areas inside and out.
This is followed by a jump cut to the hole in the lavatory floor,
looking up at it from the basement.
(A note here-- the timing of this scene associates Willowís
ëvisioní with what is happening with Dawn and
Kitt, but this could be a misdirect-- perhaps the trigger for
the vision is the killing of the woman in Istanbul,
or something related to that. We may be assuming synchronous events,
when they may not be. Have to
wait and see, natch).
We get Dawnís other new acquaintance, Carlos, saying that
he ëran like a girlí (when he saw the dead
janitor) shortly after which he sees two of them not only not
run, but fight like they know a thing or two
about it. Again, Dawn thinks fast and logically, fashioning a
weapon out of Kittís purse and a couple of
brick Carlos found.
There was also the visual metaphor-- not entirely sure of the
meaning at this point, but for some odd
reason I feel it wasnít accidental-- when Dawn states to
Kitt and Carlos that there must be ëa stairway
somewhereí and then we immediately cut to the scene where
Buffy is talking to Principal Wood, and as the
camera does a 360 we see a stairway in the background. Letís
see-- Dawn is in the basement, and mentions
that ëthe reception is frickiní greatí considering
their being down there. Buffy and Robin Wood are on the
ground floor, and there is a stairway--going up-- in the background.
The camera is moving around them.
Central figures, and theyíre in the middle? The middle
of what? And whatís above them, up the stairs?
So Dawn calls Buffy, and Buffy again makes a very ludicrous excuse
about her ëdogwalkerí and the dogs
being dead. Principle Wood reacts to this with shock, again dropping
a little hint he may be one of the
good guys. Since itís a fairly well-known literary wordplay
to use dog = god, does this further foreshadow
something the First Evil is behind, i.e. ìitís the
guardian of the gods (ëdogwalkerí) -- the gods (ëdogsí)
are
dead?
Buffy and Spike, ah yes. I was glad to actually see exactly what
I had hoped to see when they first
met up again-- Buffy reacts in a fashion that indicates that she
cares about Spike, but isnít in love with him.
Sorry, B/S shippers. Iím making a serious prognostication
that after a slow evolution over the course of
the season, that these two might work together, but I donít
see any more Spuffy. I had great
admiration for the way Joss wrote the scene, and the way SMG and
Marsters played it-- Buffy can now
shift effortlessly between SlayerBuffy and Non-SlayerBuffy, and
back again, depending on the needs of the
moment. The dissociative qualities she was demonstrating in the
past few years, especially last year, are
nowhere in evidence. It struck just exactly the right note, I
felt, when Buffy shifts out of Slayer mode to
look at him with some compassion for his obviously disturbed state,
but then realizes that this isnít the time
to pursue what has happened to him, and shifts quickly back to
SlayerBuffy to continue her rescue of
Dawn and her companions. The madness Spike is apparently suffering
is an interesting dramatic choice,
and was even more compelling in the final scene when one of the
manifestations was Drusilla.
So, Buffy saves the day, but with a lot of genuine help from her
sister. We donít know whatís up with
Spike, or what heís been through over the summer, but finding
out will certainly make for some good
storytelling in upcoming episodes. Iím wondering, naturally,
which ep will be the one where Buffy finds
out heís ensouled? And will he tell her, or will she discover
it through some other party or circumstance? If
I had to guess (well, which I do, Iím afraid) I would say
that it will be in the end scene of the third ep,
since that would mirror when Spike found out that Buffy was pulled
out of heaven in season 6, ep 3. Then,
perhaps the rest of the Scoobies wonít find out until the
6th episode, which would balance with Once
More with Feeling and Buffy revealing her secret to the Scoobs.
Finally, some wonderfully funny lines (besides the hilarious ëfrickiní
reception is greatíone):
Vampire: ìI think Iím stuck-- my footís
caught on a root or something.î
Dawn: ìThat martial-arts thing they all seem to pick
up on.î (Vote for best meta-narration, too! ;-)
Buffy: (after Dawn executes a really slick maneuver while fighting
the vamp) 1*You could do that...î
Xander: ìHow do you ëmakeí cereal?î
Halfrek: ìHis wife wanted you to turn him into a frog.
You made him into a Frenchman.î
And then some choice words to the wise, when one is confronted
by really pissed-off dead people:
Buffy: ìIf at first you donít succeed-- cheat!î
Now thatís my girl, and her little god too!
;-)
*******
Not meta-narration, may or may not have an anti-matter counterpart,
but certainly oh so true for my
particular universe:
OnM: Next Tuesday canít get here fast enough
*******
[> *** Spoilers *** for
Season 7, Ep 1, of course - all else within is pure speculation.
-- OnM, 21:26:29 09/25/02 Wed
[> Thank You OnM;-)
-- Drizzt, 22:05:39 09/25/02 Wed
Have not seen ep 7.1...UPN stopped broadcasting here, but you
have given me an appatiser to chew on and wonder untill I do see
it;)
Plus, Kuddos for cool ep summary and the bonus theorising...
;)
[> Exceedingly cool, OnM!
-- HonorH, 22:24:04 09/25/02 Wed
I like your take on the Key. I really do hope that Dawn's Key-ness
will be readdressed this season, or one has to wonder just what
all those monks died for. I want to see the Key be used for good.
I also like your comments on the Buffy/Dawn relationship. They've
really settled into themselves and each other, and I love the
comfort level they exude. I love the comfort level Buffy exudes
when ordering Dawn to get some breakfast. Little moments like
that are what make a relationship real onscreen.
I'm with you, too--I think Wood is good. If nothing else, it'd
be a nice change to see a principal who's really on Buffy's side.
Totally with you on the Spike matter as well.
Aw, heck. I just totally agree with you. Want a sycophant?
[> Re: Metanarration, Antimatter,
and the Unmirrored Universe Before the Big Bang ("lessons"
spoilers) -- Rob, 23:20:03 09/25/02 Wed
We are on exactly the same page, OnM, as usual. First off, the
essay was brilliant. I so can't wait to read your next! Or rather,
I can't wait for the next ep to air and then read your
next.
I completely agree with you, and I hope you're right. Perhaps
if this is the First Evil and this huge battle thing is gonna
happen, we'll finally get the answers we've been waiting for,
not just about the First Evil, but about the origins of the Slayer,
the Watcher's Council, the Key, the whole shebang...I think your
assumptions are very likely. That's very Joss to have a villain
like that appear in one episode of the third season, never mention
it again, have everyone think the matter has been completely forgotten...then
four years later go back to it.
While watching "Lessons" the second time around, I had
much the same reaction you did. For starters, I can tell how much
I love the episode by the fact that the instant it was over, I
rewound the tape and watched it all over again. I haven't done
that since the night OMWF aired. I adored all of the sixth season,
and watched every episode 2 or 3 times again in the course of
the week after it aired, but the need to watch it immediately
again wasn't there until now.
I even actually watched it a third time two hours later, and still,
no less fresh, funny, or brilliant than the first time. In fact,
it was even more so. While I didn't notice the staircase in the
revolving around Principal Wood and Buffy scene, I did notice
some of the other great transitions. That's actually one of the
first things I thought of. From the skillful cutting from Buffy
investigating to Dawn being in class, to the cut from Willow and
Giles to Xander lookin' all spiffy...wow! And more on camera work,
I especially loved the zoom-out on Willow and Giles that pulled
all the way back into the house. Beautifully shot!
Oh, and, although I didn't realize that it was the First Evil
on any of my viewings, basically b/c I just wasn't thinking like
that, I did about an hour later. I was lying in bed at about three
in the morning and couldn't get the episode out of my head. I
was starting to drift off to sleep, and suddenly out of nowhere,
I muttered to myself, "It's the First Evil." And then
it became so clear.
Then I began to second-guess myself. Would Joss reveal the villain
that early? Isn't that too easy? So I posted farther down on this
page that maybe it was the First Evil, but it probably wasn't.
But you, my friend, have convinced me to go with my first impression.
Now, I obviously don't know for sure whether all of your spec
is accurate, but I sure hope it is, or at least close to how you
envision it. Because if it works out the way you're thinking,
this could become the best season of all. In fact, if SMG doesn't
renew her contract for sure, I hope this will be the last season.
What a way to go out...the entire story would be brought full-circle.
Questions from early on would finally be answered, etc. Although
I reserve the right to cry and scream that I didn't mean it if
this does turn out to be the last year. I mean it!
I know I'm probably jumping the gun here, but I just love your
ideas about this so much.
Some other comments:
I'm glad that Buffy has finally entered the next stage of the
hero's journey. As Campbell says, after the hero's death, he or
she will usually be brought back to life, and sometimes against
his or her will. Check.
That sometimes it will take the hero a while to reintegrate back
into the world. Check.
That, once that process has ended, the hero with new clarity will
inspire others and help change the world. And this is where Buffy
is now. Inspiring others, and, furthermore, not just protecting
them as she once did. She's now showing them how to protect themselves.
Kind of like the old adage about teaching the man how to fish
so he can eat for the rest of his life, or something like that.
You know I can't stand to talk about fish for too long. ;o)
Buffy not only began helping Dawn be able to defend herself, but
she also did the same for these two friends. She taught Dawn defense
in battle, and the two friends defense in the other great battle,
high school.
This season seems like it will be brilliant. Before, Buffy was
the high school student, growing up. Now she is a seasoned, mature
hero, returning to the land in which she grew up to pass on her
knowledge of the world, and her constant protection.
Just as Socrates discovered that the wisest are those who are
wise enough to know that they know nothing, Buffy teaches Dawn
at the start of the episode that she who realizes that she isn't
as powerful as the enemy, ultimately is the one with the real
power. And Dawn, a very quick study, does exactly what Buffy says--uses
the vamp's own superior strength against him. And later passes
on Buffy's information to her own newfound friends. The first
time I saw the episode and heard Dawn tell her friends, "Lesson
1) It's always real," I had completely forgotten that Buffy
had told her that same thing earlier in the episode. Upon rewatching
the show, I said "A-ha!"
Since I kind of jumped around here, I'm not sure how to wrap up
except to say that "Lessons" psyched me like nobody's
business for this year, and more so than perhaps any other season
premiere of "Buffy"'s (except maybe for that "Whoa!"
moment at the very end of "Buffy vs. Dracula"...I was
unspoiled at the time--and I'm glad to say that I am again now--and
that threw me off guard, to say the very least.)...
...and your essay, if it's possible, has psyched me even more!
So thank you for a fasinating read. So many things to think about
now!
Rob
[> Re: Metanarration, Antimatter,
and the Universe -(spoiler speculation HERE) -- Cactus Watcher,
06:45:19 09/26/02 Thu
Considering how the First Evil was eventually foiled the last
time it was in Sunnydale, you have to wonder what else might show
up. It seemed to me the first time, the First Evil was something
of a braggart and had precious little power (there's that word
again) of its own, except to work upon the deep guilt of others.
If this is the First Evil again, I would expect it to be using
newly resouled Spike to get the power it wants.
"Large" amount of antimatter? Gulp! That concentrated
anywhere is like keeping a large amount of warm nitroglycerin
in your abode. Hope, that word 'large' is meant relatively!
[> [> Re: Metanarration,
Antimatter, and the Universe -(spoiler speculation HERE) --
ponygirl, 08:24:10 09/26/02 Thu
Got to wonder if the First Evil has some sort of vampire with
a soul detector. The first time around its agenda seemed to be
to get Angel to come over to the dark side, and failing that get
him to kill himself, now it's tormenting Spike. Of course I have
a perfect track record of being wrong about predicting the season,
so the fact that my first thought after viewing Lessons was "First
Evil" doesn't bode well for everyone's theories.
I loved the line about going back before the Word. I know the
biblical reference but it also reminded me of Buffy's dream in
Hush, where Maggie talks about the moment before we articulate
something, that moment when an idea connects to everything, that
moment of inspiration. Of creation.
Other lines that struck me, besides the ones about power, Willow's
"everything's connected" - a hint to the viewer?, and
Buffy's constant urging for Dawn to find/use a weapon. Reminded
me that the Slayer is supposed to be a weapon of the Council.
Great essay OnM!
[> [> MAJOR Spec (mostly
unspoiled--only one small casting spoiler at very end) --
J, 10:11:04 09/26/02 Thu
Everything following is pure spec - I have no spoiler knowledge
to speak of, with the sole exception of the casting spoiler marked
off at the very end of the post.
If this is the First Evil again, I would expect it to be using
newly resouled Spike to get the power it wants.
And what about cave-boy? I have to think that what we're referring
to as the First Evil and the cave demon are related, if not one
and the same.
In fact, I have a (not well-developed) theory that Spike's journey
(chip-to-buffylove-to-soulquesting) may have been motivated and
directed by the First Evil all along.
Here it is: for some unexplained reason, the First Evil wanted
Angel to drink Buffy in 'Amends,' and was slightly disappointed
when Angel chose to kill himself instead. Perhaps there is some
sort of as-yet-unrevealed prophecy regarding a souled vampire
drinking the blood of a slayer, and when the PTB's saved Angel,
the First Evil had to go looking for a new candidated to fulfill
the prophecy. Hence Spike. Since the First Evil presumably has
the power to influence other, lesser evils, we get chipped Spike,
then eventually Buffylove Spike, then finally crazy souled Spike,
driven by his insanity to drink Buffy's blood.
I know this doesn't quite fit with the bit in "Graduation
Day, Pt. 2" where Angel drinks from Buffy to counter the
effects of the poison, but I suspect that the writers will find
a clever way around that. Assuming, of course, that I'm right
-- a big assumption of course.
- J
--SPOILER--
I suspect that this may also have something to do with Faith's
reappearance on both Angel and Buffy this season--perhaps Faith,
rather than Buffy, is the one who gets drunk.
[> [> [> A small point
- but Buffy has been drunk - thrice -- Sergio, 11:57:23
09/26/02 Thu
Angel nearly drained Buffy in Graduation Day II. She has also
been drunk by the Master and tasted by Dracula. Don't know what
that does to your theory but there has to be more than draining
a slayer (and remember the power the Master felt at drinking Buffy,
as much as the many souls he hoped for in the harvest).
[> [> [> [> *Snerk!*
I thought you were gonna -- HonorH, 12:03:51 09/26/02 Thu
point out all the times Buffy's gotten sloshed. I was thinking,
"Let's see--'Beer Bad', 'Life Serial', and what's the third
one?"
[> [> [> [> [>
ROLFMAO! Me, too! I'm particuarly fond of the "Life Serial"
incident myself. -- Rob, 12:11:17 09/26/02 Thu
...and that adorable little "yuck" noise she made for
every swig of vodka she took. :o)
Rob
[> [> [> [> [>
When Buffy Got Drunk -- Finn Mac Cool, 13:48:32 09/26/02
Thu
I'm not sure if "Reptile Boy" counts or not. Buffy did
drink alocohal and pass out from it, but it was undeniably drugged,
so it's hard to say if that counts as getting drunk.
[> [> [> [> Re:
A small point - but Buffy has been drunk - thrice -- J, 12:58:42
09/26/02 Thu
I mentioned "Gradutation Day" in my post, and while
I was aware of the other two, I don't think they matter--neither
the Master nor Dracula had a soul. My "theory" (I hesitate
to even call it that) has to do with a souled vamp drinking
the blood of a slayer.
- J
[> Stevie Smith's "Our
Bog is Dood" -- Scroll, 08:02:48 09/26/02 Thu
I don't know whether this has anything to do with "Lessons"
besides the wordplay of Dog = God, but I remember analysing this
poem in British Lit and wanted to share.
Our Bog is Dood
by Stevie Smith (1950)
Our Bog is dood, our Bog is dood,
They lisped in accents mild,
But when I asked them to explain
They grew a little wild.
How do you know your Bog is dood
My darling little child?
We know because we wish it so
That is enough, they cried,
And straight within each infant eye
Stood up the flame of pride,
And if you do not think it so
You shall be crucified.
Then tell me, darling little ones,
What's dood, suppose Bog is?
Just what we think, the answer came,
Just what we think it is.
They bowed their heads. Our Bog is ours
And we are wholly his.
But when they raised them up again
They had forgotten me
Each one upon each other glared
In pride and misery
For what was dood, and what their Bog
They never could agree.
Oh sweet it was to leave them then,
And sweeter not to see,
And sweetest of all to walk alone
Beside the encroaching sea,
The sea that soon should drown them all,
That never yet drowned me.
Most people interpret "Bog" as God or Dog
and "Dood" as either Good or Dead. And
since we're talking about the First Evil, it only makes sense
that we talk about God, or the Jossian version, aka the Powers
That Be. While the PTB aren't terribly active on Buffy
(or else they're incredibly subtle) the way they are on Angel,
it's easy for us to dismiss them. But they made it snow in southern
California during a heat wave, so I'm think they have some
power.
How will they choose to interpret this power? Are they truly on
the side of Good? Are they the source of the Slayer? the Key?
Are they the "matter" to the First Evil's "antimatter"?
How are they connected to Willow's root system?
Smith's poem seems to indicate that the wiser person (the narrator)
is someone who doesn't bow to institutionalised religion but instead
gains strength by standing alone, who thinks for herself and questions
the establishment. Will the coming Big Bad be like the encroaching
sea? Buffy isn't easily drowned, me thinks, and she's never been
one for towing the line. I don't really know if Joss had this
poem in mind with the "3 dead dogs" tragedy, but you
never know with Joss...
Scroll
[> [> About dogs...(Spoiler
from next week's promo only) -- Rob, 08:45:02 09/26/02
Thu
I wonder if this god/dog thing really is intentional, seeing that
it seems, in the season premiere that someone's dog gets swallowed
up by some hell beasty. A reference to "X-Files" when
Scully's dog, also on one of those retractable leashes, was eaten
by that monster...or another reference to the possible death of
gods? Hmmmmm.....
Matters are very rarely coincidental on "Buffy," and
especially seeing that Buffy lies about a dog dying, and then
the very next episode, this seems to happen...Wow, my brain's
going in all sorts of twirly directions right now!
Btw, thank you for posting the poem. I really enjoyed it.
Rob
[> [> [> We don't
get the promos (speculation) -- Scroll, 09:28:49 09/26/02
Thu
Unfortunately, we don't get the promos here in Canada. But I am
counting down the days until next Tuesday.
Isn't there a three-headed dog guarding the way to Hades in Greek
mythology? Is that hell-dog going to die? That way the path would
be unguarded, and nasty things could come and go as they pleased.
Opening the Hellmouth?
Btw, thank you for posting the poem. I really enjoyed it.
You're welcome. :) Smith was one of the poets I actually enjoyed
studying! She makes a lot of allusions, is a bit absurd and pretty
irreverent in her tone. Kinda Joss-like, perhaps?
[> [> [> [> Buffy.com
to see the promo for next week -- neaux, 11:06:09 09/26/02
Thu
you can always see the promos for the next week at buffy.com
Yes you do need Real player which sucks but the Real One player
for Macintosh os X isnt horrible.
[> [> She's going to
be a fireman when the floods roll back. -- Arethusa, 08:50:55
09/26/02 Thu
WARNING: rambling ahead!
I see the PTB as agents for equilibrium, keeping the balance between
good and evil. There is no free will without both good and evil,
so the PTB make the tiny nudge or honkin' big snowfall as needed,
instead of eliminating evil. The PTB merely try to maintain a
little order in the face of evil's agent, chaos. And chaos's agent
is power-its use, misuse and possibilities for corruption. The
First Evil's power was (so far) only the power of suggestion.
It couldn't hurt Angel, but it could make him hurt others or himself.
"Lesson"'s evil was able to manifest zombie-like creatures,
so I'm not sure if the First Evil has returned or not-maybe it
learned a few new tricks. It's been around long enough to have
quite an arsenal.
I can see the First Evil going after Dawn's power-that might be
why it is trying to use Spike; to get to Dawn. The Key was/will
be raw, unshaped power. And there are Apocalyptic battles ahead,
which by definition will be a vast (or even final) battle between
good and evil. Since this is the last year for Buffy but not Angel,
the end of the year will probably not be a matter/antimatter fight,
but still a major power struggle, perhaps for the power lying
dormant in the Key.
[> [> [> And a quote:
-- Arethusa, 09:25:06 09/26/02 Thu
From Buffy to Dawn in Grave: "
BUFFY
Things have sucked lately, but it's
all gonna change - and I want to be
there when it does. I want to see my
friends happy again.
(more emotional)
And I want to see you grow up. The
woman you're going to become...
Because she's going to be beautiful.
Dawn takes this in. Moved.
BUFFY (cont'd)
And she's going to be powerful.
Quote by psyche; my emphesis on "powerful."
[> [> [> The PTB (spoilers
for Lessons) -- Scroll, 10:01:45 09/26/02 Thu
I'm not sure that the zombie/ghost things were conjured up by
the First Evil (if that's who it was). Xander broke the talisman
and the zombie-ghosts disappeared but we still saw the Big Bads
haunting Spike, so clearly they don't have the same source.
You're right that the First Evil couldn't really hurt Angel. It
could only manipulate his mind, torture him psychologically, the
way the Big Bads are haunting Spike now. But if the purpose of
the First Evil is to nudge borderline good guys over the edge
into full-out evil, then shouldn't the PTB be considered their
opposites? I do agree that the PTB are balancing forces, but I
see it more like the Evil is so overwhelming, that all the PTB
can do is fight back hard enough that Evil doesn't totally overwhelm
the world. In that vein, I see the PTB as recruiting vampires
with souls, good demons like Whistler, Doyle, Skip and Cordelia
(and Anya?). Maybe the PTB are barely keeping the balance as we
speak, which is why the rising evil is going to be so devastating.
Of course this is all speculation on my part. :)
[> [> [> [> Same
here. -- Arethusa, 10:29:21 09/26/02 Thu
All speculation. It's possible that the First Whatever conjured
the zombies and had one of them make the tailsman, but of course
I don't know for sure. The tailsman could only control the zombies,
not the FE-if they were zombies, if it was the FE-too many unknowns
to say. And yes, TPTB would be opposites to evil. But are TPTB
good? Or are they merely trying to maintain balance?
[> [> [> [> [>
Or...(more spoilery spec re: Lessons) -- Rob, 11:15:22
09/26/02 Thu
The First Evil could have compelled a human or demon in the physical
world to create the talisman.
Perhaps that being is Spike?
Rob
[> [> [> [> [>
[> Re: Or...(more spoilery spec re: Lessons) -- VLS,
14:51:26 09/26/02 Thu
Where is Ethen Rain ?
[> [> [> [> [>
Re: Same here. -- Miss Edith, 16:05:36 09/26/02 Thu
Didn't Whistler tell Angel in Becoming part 2 that his side wasn't
necesserily about doing good? It's been a while since I've watched
that episode so I may have got it wrong but I'm pretty sure I
remember Whistler talking about how he was there to maintain balance,
and it wasn't about good or evil. And the PTB on ATS have made
some pretty questionable decisions recently perhaps indicating
that they are not necessarily the good guys?
[> [> [> [> [>
[> Yes -- Arethusa, 16:57:59 09/26/02 Thu
The relevant quote:
Buffy: (exhales) You don't have anything useful to tell me, do
you?
What are you, just some immortal demon sent down to even the score
between good and evil?
Whistler: (impressed) Wow. Good guess. (grins)
Buffy: (steps up to him) Well, why don't you try getting off your
immortal ass and fighting evil once in a while? 'Cause I'm sick
and
tired of doing it myself.
Although not so sure about the PTB on Angel-for some reason, I
think their mistakes are more ones of neglect, rather than evil.
quote by psyche
[> [> [> Re: She's
going to be a fireman when the floods roll back. -- pr10n,
11:30:37 09/26/02 Thu
I love that line.
It's my single favorite Buffy quote, IMHO the most poetic, the
most mysterious and intriguing line of all.
Internal contrast, personal prophecy, defiance in the face of
doom, elemental summons, and more: When that long note resolves
at the end of the Buffy Symphony, then we're gonna see something!
[> [> [> [> Re:
She's going to be a fireman when the floods roll back. --
alcibiades, 11:20:05 09/27/02 Fri
I touch the fire and it freezes me.
Fire bad, tree pretty.
PRIMITIVE to Buffy:
You are full of love. You love with all
of your soul. It's brighter than the fire, blinding. That's why
you pull away from it.
BUFFY
I'm full of love? I'm not losing it?
PRIMITIVE
Only if you reject it. Love is pain and the Slayer forges strength
from pain.
BUFFY
Yes.
Buffy nodsÖ
PRIMITIVE
Love. Give. Forgive. Risk the pain. It is your nature. Love will
bring you to your gift.
Pulling away from love seems one good precautionary method of
being a fireman. Catch it before it starts.
OTOH, according to the PRIMITIVE if she wants the strength - or
power - she's got to risk the pain.
And I don't think we are talking about Dawn love here.
And on a less serious note, this all does put an interesting spin
on why Buffy was risking the pain last year in the sack with Spike.
[> [> Drowning or Waving?
-- alcibiades, 11:04:57 09/27/02 Fri
Speaking of it''s all connected, wasn't Stevie Smith the one who
wrote the poem about drowning or waving from which Bush wrote
their song
[> [> [> Re: Drowning
or Waving? -- ponygirl, 11:28:18 09/27/02 Fri
Ah sweet google, provider of all knowledge:
Not Waving but Drowning
Stevie Smith
Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.
Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he's dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.
Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning.
[> [> [> [> Wonderful,
thanks ponygirl. -- Arethusa, 14:45:05 09/27/02 Fri
And appropriate for S6 Buffy: "I touch the fire and it freezes
me," and pulled out of heaven, not hell.
[> Oh, that was GOOD!
-- Wisewoman, 10:31:14 09/26/02 Thu
Thanks, OnM. That was great!
Haven't had time to read all of the greatness on the board (and
I suspect that's going to be the situation all season if the posting
keeps up at this rate!) so I hope I'm not repeating someone below,
but I was personally delighted and relieved to see sad, gentle,
magical Willow. One of the on-going subjects we've debated over
the years has been the difference between Willow as a Buffyverse
"Wicca" and real Wiccans in the Realverse. Everything
Willow said in "Lesson" leads me to believe that Joss
heard at least some of that, somewhere. Sure, Willow's still going
to have powers that none of use can ever hope to attain, but at
least she's got the main point down; "It's all connected."
;o) dub
[> Oooh! Oooh! Just thought
of more evidence for your "Robin Wood/Robin Hood" theory!
-- Rob, 12:34:25 09/26/02 Thu
In the first book of T.H. White's "The Once and Future King,"
"The Sword in the Stone," Robin Hood appears but is
called Robin Wood, after Sherwood Forest. They claim that the
substitution of the "H" was a misnomer.
So your Robin Hood theory seems even more likely now!
Rob
[> Thank you, really enjoyed
this. -- Caroline, 13:48:06 09/26/02 Thu
And I agree with most of what you said. Except I think that Spike
will have a more pivotal role in the evolution of the story about
this year's big bad. I say this because I think that morphy is
somehow keeping Spike there, the manifest spirits were trying
to stop Buffy from seeing Spike and it sounds like morphy definitely
had big plans for Buffy and Spike - he's got them both where he
wants them. And morphy tells Spike that it's about the power,
the same thing that Buffy has been trying to find the source of
for the last few years. But time (and Joss) may well prove both
of us wrong!
[> Wonderful essay! So many
possibilities ahead! -- Dichotomy, 16:00:34 09/26/02 Thu
Wow, OnM! Great analysis! After watching Lessons, I was so intrigued
by the possiblities raised in one, too-short hour and anxious
for next Tuesday to come. Before I read your analysis, there were
three big unknowns that left me speculating like mad. It seems
to me that there are so many ways that these could develop:
1. Our nice-guy principal, Robin Wood: As you mentioned, most
signs seem to point to him being on Buffy's side. But then there's
that small matter of his office being right on the Hellmouth,
his knowledge of Buffy's school record (why exactly would he need
to know so much about a former student?), the job offer (is it
just that he noticed Buffy's skill at reaching troubled students,
or part of some larger plan to get Buffy where someone or something
wants her?) I'd love it if he turned into an ally, but I wouldn't
be too surprised if he turned out to be an instrument of the Big
Bad (knowingly or unknowinlgy).
2. The morphing entity and its plan for Spike: Of course, we're
all wondering what havoc it wants to wreck, but I'm most intrigued
by how it itends to use Spike, and how Spike will come through
this. Will he become an instrument of evil or fight through his
insanity and the additional mental torture being inflicted upon
him by this entity? I'm very afraid for Spike but not convinced
he's beyond salvation.
3. The Istanbul incident: I thought perhaps she was a Slayer in
Training, but what the...?
I think your speculation could be right on the mark. It certainly
filled in some gaps in my thinking and truly added to my enjoyment
of the ep. You can bet I'll be watching this season carefully
and trying to pull out that which is below the surface. Failing
that, I'll be back here to see what you and all the other knowledgable
posters have to say.
Woo-hoo! I think it's going to be a great season!
[> Wonderful essay --
Sarand, 16:16:06 09/26/02 Thu
Very nice. I'm printing it out so I can study it more carefully.
I've not been reading many posts because I really don't want to
be spoiled. So maybe others have discussed this but I haven't
seen it. Anyway, I was a bit more encouraged about the prospect
of Spike and Buffy working together because of the fact that his
help, even in his delusions or madness, was essential to her saving
the day. She didn't know what she was dealing with until he told
her about the spirits and the talisman. It was only when he told
her that she put it together with the small doll-like thing she
saw in the bathroom. She may have figured it out eventually but
we all know Buffy's not big with the research.
Like I said, I hadn't seen that discussed in any of the posts
I read so I thought I'd throw it in. I don't know what I want
of Spike and Buffy - just not a repeat of last year. If they can
find a level of friendship and be able to work together, I would
be happy. Plus, with Dawn - bonus. I'm also interested in what
you said about Dawn's Keyness. I'm hoping that will be explored
further. I've been hearing talk of the show continuing next year
with Dawn as the Vampire Slayer. I'd be much more interested if
a show with her was based on the powers related to her Keyness,
rather than making her another Vampire Slayer. JMHO.
Again, terrific essay.
[> Please make me shut up
about postmodernism -- Slain, 16:26:34 09/26/02 Thu
...If you can! But, until then:
It strikes me that one of the main features of Buffy is a combination
of postmodern intertextuality and meta-narration. Or, in other
words, it's a combination of a silly-titled genre show about vampires,
and a deliberate complexity underneath the surface. Postmodernism
would say that there's no need to inject meaning into a text,
as this compromises the style of the surface narrative.
But of course meta-narration doesn't work that way; the surface
narrative isn't unweildy or complex, as the meta-narration works
underneath, adding to it without detracting from the overall lightness
or style; intertextuality is where the text is influenced by other
art, while meta narration is where the text makes its own, independent
meaning. In Buffy, the two don't neccessarily conflict so much
as exist in harmony; except in episodes such as 'Restless'. But
then it's just fun.
[> Utterly Amazing, OnM...
thoughts on the Big Bad -- Dochawk, 16:34:23 09/26/02 Thu
OnM, that was fabulous. There are far too many of you who make
me feel not fully educated and horribly ineloquent, but we do
the best we can.
Once again I think I am on a lonely front when it comes to the
story. I have a difficult time believing that the shapeshifter
is the big bad and if it is that it is the first evil. I happen
to agree that the shapeshifter was probably a manifestation of
the first evil, but if so who summoned it? (Remember it was summoned
in Amends). And more importantly, the first evil is a seducer,
not an inflictor. it doesn't seem to have any power of its own.
I think the big bad is something even older, deeper. What was
there before the word? before creation? I am going on a limb here
but I think the first evil is just a messanger for the big bad,
the power that D'Hoffryn is afraid of and that Willow feels 1/3
of a world away. What could be worse than a hellgod? What created
the first evil? I think we are seeing the presages of a true apocolypse,
the battle remembered in Fray, that the big bad may be Satan him
(or her) self.
[> [> I think you may
be right, Doc -- Vickie, 17:40:07 09/26/02 Thu
As I've said below, this could be the BB or a communist codfish
and we really don't know yet. And I agree that the self-proclaimed
First Evil was a wimp. Always thought a lot of that thing was
PR.
The thing talking to Spike scared me a whole lot more than the
FE ever did. This is bigger. This is a lot bigger.
[> [> Um, I just had
a rather deflating thought... -- Wisewoman, 17:52:21 09/26/02
Thu
What if the shapeshifting BBs Spike was seeing were all in his
obviously shattered mind? No one else saw them, did they? He told
Buffy there were three of them in the basement (i.e. Spike, Buffy,
and IT) but she didn't notice, didn't question him, and didn't
see anything.
I've already admitted I'm never going to have the time to read
all threads and all posts this season, so I apologize if this
has already been debated into the dust...
;o) dub
[> [> [> Quite probably
not, WW -- Vickie, 18:54:17 09/26/02 Thu
Don't worry. One shape (the Major) Spike had never seen, and another
(the Master) we have no evidence that he had seen. The basement
baddie could be in Spike's head, but we don't really
have evidence of that yet.
[> [> [> No, not deflating--
it is a definite possibility -- OnM, 18:58:26 09/26/02
Thu
I took the tack that what Spike was seeing was 'real', and not
an hallucination on his part, but the hallucination tack is perfectly
possible.
I based my ideas on seeing the exact same modus operandi used
here as was used previously when TFE tried to turn Angel or kill
him. Also, there is the question of why Spike would see Mayor
Wilkins or the Master, since if I recall he never met either of
them. And then, why Buffy? If it's a case of TFE trying to intimidate
him by throwing Buffy's 'power' over him in his face, then that
would make a certain degree of sense. Otherwise, why hallucinate
her?
No, I think this could turn into another 'Normal Again' Is-the-ASV-real/not
real argument, unless future eps make it absolutely clear if this
is TFE in action or not.
[> [> [> [> Another
thought too (spoiler for Lessons).... -- mm, 19:35:56 09/26/02
Thu
What if the "she" that the "Master," "Adam,"
et al kept referring too wasn't Buffy, but Dawn? No, probably
not. Just exploring all the angles.
[> [> [> [> [>
Re: And still another (spoiler for Lessons).... -- mm,
grasping at straws, 19:46:21 09/26/02 Thu
Maybe this has been mentioned, but I found it interesting that
"Adam" referred to Spike as "Number 17,"
rather than "Hostile 17," as I believe he was
called in S4.
[> [> [> [> [>
[> I thought that might be a reference to *The Prisoner*
-- OnM, 20:43:38 09/26/02 Thu
Because Spike has 'resigned' from being a soulless creature (just
as Number 6 resigned for what was always implied as being moral
reasons) and then becomes a 'prisoner' in a 'village' (Sunnydale/The
Hellmouth) that won't allow him to 'leave'.
I am not a number-- I am a FREE MAN!!
But he never ultimately was, even after he escaped, was he?
[> [> [> [> [>
[> [> right, not really hostile anymore -- vh, 06:19:21
09/27/02 Fri
The emphasis is on how he is powerless. Why give him power by
calling him "Hostile" 17? "Number 17" drains
power; "Hostile 17" bestows it.
[> [> [> [> [>
[> Re: And still another (spoiler for Lessons).... --
anom, 14:38:18 09/27/02 Fri
"Hostile 17" was the Initiative's term for Spike. Adam
wasn't exactly on their side.
[> [> [> [> Re:
No, not deflating-- it is a definite possibility -- Slain,
15:46:48 09/27/02 Fri
My own assumption was that it was a combination of reality and
hallucination - if Buffy had walked into the room, she wouldn't
have seen anything other than Spike cowering in the corner. The
shapeshifter was inside Spike's head - but it was still possibilty
a real presence. Failing that, I don't see a problem with it simply
being a vision of something, much like Buffy's own visions in
times past.
[> [> [> Here's my
theory about that...(spec re: season 7, some "lessons"
spoilers) -- Rob, 22:47:24 09/26/02 Thu
I don't see what Spike has seen as hallucinations brought on by
his madness, but perhaps the other way around. Their appearances
to Spike are helping to contribute to his mental breakdown. I
think they are going to try to use Spike to do some, if not all,
of their dirty work, which adds more to my "it's the First
Evil" thoughts. But the fact that some of those villains
are ones that Spike has not met or at least not had a meaningful
relationship with leads me to suspect that these are not hallucinations.
I think that the fact that we have only seen Spike see them is
a red herring, designed to leave some viewers thinking, "Oh,
yeah, Spike's crazy," and then some time soon, this being's
presence will be confirmed by some other observer, as well. I
remain thoroughly unspoiled, however. Total guess on my part.
(On a side note, on my third viewing of the episode, I wondered
whether, btw, Spike had thought Buffy from earlier in the episode
was one of these "illusions" as well and was playing
along with it. It stands to reason that the ending scene was not
the first time Spike had come in contact with what I am presently
considering to be the First Evil.)
Rob
[> [> An entirely new
twist on all these theories (7.1 spoilers) -- cjl, 07:43:02
09/27/02 Fri
I was snooping on the BC&S board, desperately trying to avoid
big-time spoilers, when I saw this intriguing theory about the
final scene of "Lessons":
When Spike has his hallucination/vision of the Big Bads, you'll
notice that the BB manifestations start with Warren pacing behind
Spike; then he morphs into Glory, then Adam, then the Mayor, who
sidles up to Spike on the (viewer's) left. "Dru" leans
in to caress him, also on the left, before she morphs into the
Master, who ends up standing in a dim light at the far left of
the room. (Cool effect, BTW.)
Here's where it gets interesting...
As I recall, The Master does NOT morph in Buffy.
No, Buffy appears to Spike's RIGHT, and tells him it's all about
the power.
What if these manifestations are NOT connected?
Here's the theory: yes, The First Evil (or Satan or whoever the
Big Bad is) sent these manifestations to grind down Spike's sanity
and convince our favorite blonde vamp to do its bidding. But the
BB manifestations ended with the Master. When Buffy appears, it's
actually Spike's own subconscious mind telling him what he needs
to know to survive and beat his captor: it's all about the power.
YOU have the power. You just have to realize it.
What do you think?
[> [> [> Agree with
cjl here. -- shadowkat, 07:53:34 09/27/02 Fri
[> [> [> Re: An entirely
new twist on all these theories (7.1 spoilers) -- Arethusa,
08:26:18 09/27/02 Fri
The Mighty Morphin' Power Creature becomes the Master, stands,
moves a little to the left backstage, then crosses behind Spike,
moving to his right a little. Cut to crouching Spike, who turns
his head to the right slightly, while the Master says "(It's)
not about right, not about wrong." Pan up to Buffy on Spike's
right. "It's about power," she says. We never see the
Master morph into Buffy, but I think that is what it is doing.
So I disagree; the manifestations end with Buffy.
Did I say before how great Tivo is? It took only a minute or two
to find the scene and view it three times.
[> [> [> [> Mea
culpa: I don't think I got this from BC&S; I think I picked up
on Alcibiades' post above... -- cjl, 08:33:04 09/27/02
Fri
...and I simply forgot where I saw it.
Always got to give credit where credit is due.
[> [> [> [> i agree
w/arethusa -- anom, 14:42:06 09/27/02 Fri
They just didn't want us to see who it was until she spoke.
Buncha Little
Things. (Spoilery) -- Harry Parachute, 02:35:06 09/26/02 Thu
This is gonna be unstructured and messy, but I've never been one
for cohesive thought. Violence Pants.
-Willow and Giles-
See, I had an expectation that...well Willow and Giles are BOTH
killers, we can't forget. While our pal Ripper was giving Willow
the little speech on "We are who we are", I got a little
goosebumpy because Giles has a pretty ugly past, and his nature
can be...dark at times. We've seen his violent tendencies come
out now and again ever since S2's "Halloween". There
was our first hand encounter with Ripper in "Band Candy",
the unseen but not unheard two-second interrogation of Glory's
minion back in "Tough Love", and, of course, the rather
chilling execution of Ben in "The Gift". And I'm pretty
sure none of the characters even know about that.
But ever since Tara, during her moment of madness/insight in the
previously mentioned episode, pointed to Giles and said "Killer"...well...after
what happened with Ben, who knows who this guy really is?
So I was betting that Willow might get to hear it first in England.
Maybe she still will. Maybe we'll finally get to hear the backstory
of where the nickname "Ripper" comes from.
Even still, was a nice lead in to Spiffy!Xander.
-Kit and Carlos-
So, yeah, we all see where this is going. But to me, they don't
seem like clones of early Willow and Xander. These kids are...well...not
all sweetness and light. We've got the unstable Gothy chick on
the one hand who's outfit is a far cry from "the softer side
of Sears". Then we have Carlos, a basketball player, a smoker
(at 16 no less), and a macho guy who questions his masculinity
when he "runs like a girl" from a decomposing monster.
Someone else in chat brought up the idea that where in the First
Season, Buffy was the "not-so-innocent" one who exposed
the dark underbelly of Sunnydale to her new friends, we'll have
a role reversal. It'll be Carlos and Kit who get a little lighter
with Dawn...*drums, symbol*
Well, at least I hope Carlos is a tough-guy who whoops some ass.
I get the girl-power theme, but I want a role-model too.
-Spike-
Everything I wanted to say about him someone else posted already,
Alcibiades I think. If you look back at Checkpoint where Buffy
addresses Quentin Travers...well...here's what Alcibiades quoted.
BUFFY
See I've had a lot of people talking at me, last few days. People
just lining up to tell me how unimportant I am. And I finally
figured out why. Power. I have it. They don't. This bothers them.
Couldn't agree more. Spike's a central figure in the months to
come, and that's why the First Evil(?) is trying to put him down
so. I can only hope that our Bloody Boy can pull off in a few
months what it took Angel 80 years to accomplish: Sanity.
Oh, and I'm betting that what Spike's dealing with isn't just
delusion. I'd think that theory would have credence if it weren't
for the Buffy Apparition's final claim. Buffy said it herself
earlier in the episode. Was the first line and the last line.
It's too much of a coincidence. There's something real there talking
to Spike. That's what I think made it super-creepy.
Actually, here's an ultra-creepy thought. If this is really SMG's
final year, and if it possibly could be the final year of BtVS...and,
follow me here, if Buffy becomes the avatar of the Big Bad, will
it have to be Spike's...er..."dharma" as the Slayer
of Slayers to put her down?
Food for thought. I mean, if the Istanbul-girl was a potential
slayer as many suspect...we could have a scenario where the Harbingers
are trying to usurp or redirect the Slayer-power and ultimately
corrupt and twist it. Faith's gonna be in the season. Don't know
where that'll lead. She could die. Possibility. A little Metaphysical
hopscotch, switch the tracks, Panama Canal of Doom, some reverse
engineered "calling" into the "Not-really-the-Slayer-but-sort-of-the-Slayer-aberration"
that is Buffy Anne Summers...
...nah...they wouldn't dare make the star of the show the villain
and kill her off...they couldn't...
...
Nevermind then. Big thumbs up to the peeps around and about. You
whip the donkey stupid. Mixolydian Scales for everyone.
[> They're subversive, but
could they ... ? -- verdantheart, 06:15:12 09/26/02 Thu
Wow! If so, all I have to say is: wow! What guts!
I think that might make a lot of people mad.
[> Re: Buncha Little Things.
(Spoilery) -- DEN, 11:28:24 09/26/02 Thu
Re the Istanbul vignette: "Byzantium" was one of Istanbul's
earlier names. "Knights of..." in s5? Coincidence?
[> Re: Buncha Little Things.
(Spoilery) -- Malandanza, 12:34:14 09/26/02 Thu
I'm wondering if Willow is on some sort of probation. The Coven
couldn't remove her powers so they're watching her. Wondering
if she can be rehabilitated. Like in Le Femme Nikita (the movie)
where there was a moment when Nikita's survival was uncertain
-- would they be able to use her, or would they have to kill her?
I don't think we'll see Buffy as the big bad who has to be put
down by Spike -- I think that Joss will want to do a Buffy movie
or two once the series ends and that'll be hard to do if Buffy
is evil and dead. Having Buffy go evil, only to be pulled back
from the brink was basically done last season with Willow -- so
I doubt they'd go that way either. I think We're going to see
Spike spending most of the season as a pawn for the First Evil/Cave
Demon/Hell Mouth. I also think that Buffy isn't going to be able
to kill Spike (the way Giles would have killed Dawn or did kill
Ben to prevent future evil) so Spike will have free reign (in
a mind controlled insane zombie sense of the phrase) to inflict
evil upon the next generation of SHS'ers.
I do think that the idyllic nuclear family we've been shown with
Xander/Buffy/Dawn is all going o fall apart -- either as a consequence
of Spike's return or of Willow's.
[> [> Re: Buncha Little
Things. (Spoilery) -- mundusmundi, 12:55:40 09/26/02 Thu
Agreed, no "evil" Buffy per se. However, if we've got
a shapeshifting baddie on our hands, who can apparently morph
into Buffy, it'll be a way to do EvilBuffy (or any other character,
for that matter) without actually going that route.
[> [> [> Yeah, you're
right. Just crazy thoughts. -- Harry Parachute, 13:53:24
09/26/02 Thu
Spike wouldn't and couldn't do such a thing...and I'm sure Buffy
will survive and escape Sunnydale.
But, if OnM is right about Dawn's role in all this and if Buffy
DID go bad...t'would be heavy on the irony. Spike upholding his
promise to protect Dawn from the very person he made the promise
to. Doesn't have to kill her, just has to stop her.
And, being a Spikecentric guy, I can't help but hope the best
for him. Sure we'll see him stumble and fall and be swayed by
the dark...but I hope to see him stand on the right side at the
end of the season and be the hero he's trying to be. After all,
Spike's a romantic at heart.
*pause*
Then again, so was Hitler.
*shrug*
Coffins have bottles, not j00.
BtVS dissected
by Christians and Humanists -- Simon, 04:18:59 09/26/02 Thu
I'm a frequent lurker here so there's a couple of articles here
I thought you guys might be interested in.
http://www.thedoormagazine.com/buffy.html for a Christian look
at Buffy
http://www.jsonline.com/news/Metro/sep02/82370.asp
for a Humanist pov
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