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OMWF Curse? show of hands... -- Solitude1056, 07:17:05
09/30/02 Mon
Before I fade out again, figured I'd ask. I got the OMWF CD last
week...
1. Did anyone else think it's the cheesiest CD design ever?
2. Did I get a bum batch, with no CD cover on the front of the
jewelcase?
3. Who else is GOING INSANE from now having the tunes in their
head morning noon & night?
Last night I couldn't get "Rest in Peace" out of my
head, and this morning I woke up to some little tinny voice in
my head repeating - on-key, which is unusual in itself -
I was always brave and kind of righteous but now I find I'm wavering
Crawl out of your grave, you'll find this fight. Just doesn't
mean a thing -
she ain't got that swing
Thanks for noticing.
she does pretty well with fiends
from hell but lately we can tell,
she's just going through the motions,
faking it somehow. she's not half the girl she - ow!
I mean, seriously. I'll start listening to Liza Minnelli showtunes
if it'll get this stuff out of my head.
[> Re: OMWF Curse? show of hands... -- Veelana,
07:24:46 09/30/02 Mon
Hi,
I downloaded the tunes when the ep was aired - i got the tunes
in my head since then.
believe me, it never stops.
Whenever someone mentions a key word, i start to sing....
My Boyfriend and I cant stop singing anya and xanders duett -
not even in the shower.
*see you all - in hell.......*
Veelana
PS i will buy the CD, thou
[> [> Re: OMWF Curse? show of hands... -- JCC,
09:08:40 09/30/02 Mon
I too downloaded them and am struck with that damn cheery singing
curse. Don't try concentrating on anything anymore, because all
you'll hear is:
Am I crazy?,
Am I dreamin'?,
Am I marrying a demon?,
We could really raise the beam and make a marrige in hell!
[> Cursed and loving it -- fresne, 08:43:45 09/30/02
Mon
Yeah, the songs are cursed. Beautifully, wonderfully cursed.
A friend of mine burned us a CD from the episode days after the
episode aired. We listened to it non-stop for about a month, which
had the interesting effect that the entire musical would play
in my head (not just individual songs).
The cognitively weird thing is that the "real" CD doesn't
have any episode dialog (it only stands to reason), so I keep
expecting Sweet to say, "Your sister's the Slayer?"
Dawn, "Yahuh." However, it's not there. Not even a blip
in the song. I will say that the sound quality is infinitely better
and it is nice to actually hear all of Marti's song.
However, it does come with a very cool jewelcase cover / liner
notes (Joss calls Shakespeare a rat bastard and blames him for
the musical). Can zombie Shakespeare be far behind?
Exunt stage right man pursued by a beardemon.
[> Our numbers are legion -- ponygirl, 09:27:24
09/30/02 Mon
OMWF is completely sold out in downtown Toronto. I know this because
my friend got the last copy on Thursday after calling 5 different
stores. This is within 2 days of it being available. The clerk
at the HMV said they were surprised by the demand and were ordering
a lot more. I find this very encouraging, since this isn't something
a casual fan would buy. I walk the city now, wondering "is
this person a fan?" "did this stranger get dressed this
morning to Walk Thru the Fire as I did?" It's very exciting.
[> just as it'd begun to fade... -- yuri, 09:28:08
09/30/02 Mon
the cd comes out (which I don't have enough money for but I'll
steal it from someone eventually). (I like my burned copy with
it's little sound clips and whooshy noises.)
How vividly do I remember sitting in calculus class last year,
someone said a line, I think it was "just doesn't mean a
thing -" and I popped right in " -she aint got that
swing...." and proceeded to sing the entire musical. Well
not really, the prof stopped me eventually.
and on a saturday night "I wish I could stay..."
and a freind whispers "I'll never tell..."
and if ANYone says the word "bunnies..."
Bunnies? bunnies?
auuchhg. so good but so inescapable.
[> I love the cover design. -- Rob, 10:29:57 09/30/02
Mon
It looks like an old musical movie poster from the 1930s or 40s.
I love the clouds, the colors, the stars with the exclamation
points.
Rob
[> [> COVER??? -- Solitude1056, 16:28:24 09/30/02
Mon
What? What liner notes? What cover? All the CDs at Tower or Best
Buy or wherever I bought the damn thing - none of them
had covers. It was just the CD in the jewel case. There were liner
notes??? This is aggravating!
Could someone scan the puppy and post it somewhere so I could
download and print it out and make myself a replacement? Sheesh...
I guess they did an El Cheapo version as well as a Collector's
version or some such. No idea, honestly.
[> [> [> You got taken, Sol -- Vickie,
17:23:25 09/30/02 Mon
Unless you got your CD from MidNight Music or something. ;-)
There's a cover, looking much like the portraits they used to
use in Broadway musical posters (and still do for some films).
I don't actually care for the portraits, but they're very good
at producing the right atmosphere.
There's a booklet with all the lyrics.
And there's an essay in the booklet, by JW. All about how he got
the idea and wrote the stuff. It's hilarious. Send me your email
addy and I'll send it to you.
[> [> [> [> I wrote Rounder Records -- Solitude1056,
18:23:03 09/30/02 Mon
and explained where I bought it, when, for how much, and that
none of the CDs for sale had the little cover booklets. Hopefully
they can either send me a proper cover or will tell me what to
do - I've never run across bootleg copies in a major chain. My
only other guess is that my batch was one that somehow sneaked
out incomplete. I suppose it could happen in a smaller distributor
like Rounder, less quality control maybe. I dunno. I am wondering
if anyone else here got the same, or if this was a small mistake
in the grand scheme of things...
[> Re: OMWF Curse? show of hands... -- Lyonors, 15:36:53
09/30/02 Mon
And my answer is NO! It doesnt go away. I downloaded the songs
not long after the eppy aired and shared it with my two Buffied
friends. Now, for the record, these two people don't really know
each other, but they are aware of their buffy fondness.
A couple of weeks ago these two friends met when I returned to
visit where I went to school. To make a long story short, we ended
up in the ER cos one of my friends had the migrane from hell.
We _nearly_ ended up playing the Buffy board game that was in
my trunk in the waiting room. But instead, we treated ourselves
to seeing who could remember the most lyrics. Best part? My friend
was laughing so hard it kept the worst of the migrane at bay.
Worst part? The nurse totally thought she was lying about the
pain. Damn ER staff just didnt get it... ;o)
Ly
[> Re: OMWF Curse? show of hands... -- David
Frisby, 16:56:35 09/30/02 Mon
I love the CD and listen to it in the car and before sleeping.
During the day the taped video plays often, often at the request
of my young daughter, but not without my acquiesence also.
The musical is perhaps the best hour of television I've ever experienced
(and I experience it ofen). Does anybody else now wonder (after
listening to Josh and his wife on the last track) just how much
Josh's wife has been involved in his creative endeavor? Did she
help write that song? Or just stand in as the singer? I prefer
to think for the time being that the two of them really are a
partnership or team in the best sense. How else did he learn so
much about woman?
I feel I shouldn't be talking like this. Intruding on their privacy
so to speak -- no disrespect meant! Josh is a creative genius
and I truly admire his buffyverse.
[> [> Cursed hand raised over here -- Vickie,
17:20:30 09/30/02 Mon
Rounder lost my order, but my sweet baboo stopped on the way home
and picked it up for me as soon as he heard. We listened that
night, and the next night, and all weekend while we painted the
living room and hall.
Why don't they pick this thing up for Broadway? Although, spreading
Joss even thinner, writing another hour plus of material (and
watering down the show in the process), and the necessary context.
Nah! Couldn't work! Could it?
[> [> [> Re: Cursed hand (+ mind spirit heart =
uberbuffy) -- David
Frisby, 17:42:23 09/30/02 Mon
Sure it would work! I had the same idea. While at the ballet this
past weekend it dawned on me that OMWF could be adapted to theater
and ballet or even opera all over. Even better, or just as good,
or also (and some may disagree), I'd like to see the Saturday
Midnight Showings on a scale with Rocky Horror, with people playing
parts, and everyone "singing along"!!!!!!!
"Let it burn! Let it burn! Let it burn!" (they sing
as I write this). "Life's a show ... Life's not a song..."
Release this on DVD Josh and Co.!!!! (..please..)
My annual poem (I write one a year and send to friends with the
letter) this year (been working on it all year) concerns Spike
and Buffy on a vision quest to redeem his soul and find her fire
... the hardest thing is to live in the world ... not as an adventure
but only as a destiny ... and so forth ... great stuff...
But you're right, Broadway would be wise to appropriate it. Still,
small town theater would be great too!
David
[> Once More, With Feeling! Ah, Doc Severinsen at his
best! -- mundusmundi, jokusjoking, 18:36:13 09/30/02 Mon
More seriously, no problems with my CD. Bright, perky cover, amusing
liner notes, the works. I also love it for the bonus Christophe
Beck scores. (Why this guy isn't doing major movie work is beyond
me -- he's a frickin' genius!) And best of all, the Kai/Joss demo.
Was anybody else incredibly moved by it? For me, this is
Joss's gift.
[> [> Re: Once More, With Feeling! Ah, Doc Severinsen
at his best! -- Vickie, 18:46:00 09/30/02 Mon
Yes! I was wishing they'd let Christophe Beck score the Lord of
the Rings.
But then, I'm in the minority non-Enya camp.
[> [> [> Re: Once More, With Feeling! Ah, Doc Severinsen
at his best! -- mundusmundi, 19:06:02 09/30/02 Mon
Probably another instance of my crazed just-before-bedtime hyperbole,
but I think the Whedon/Beck era -- represented namely by the scores
on this CD, "Restless," "Hush," and "The
Gift" -- is the greatest long-running fusion between
any director and composer since the early Spielberg/John Williams
period, between Jaws and E.T. Watching and listening
to those episodes, I'm just left with the feeling that here are
two great artists working simpatico at their peak.
[> Re: OMWF Curse? show of hands... -- Sophie, 08:14:28
10/01/02 Tue
i suffer the same problem. mostly my brain plays back Anya singing
"I try, it isn't easy, I know, but there's these fears I
can't quell"
i seem to alternate between that and some cha cha music that goes
"mu-la-la" over and over. I prefer the Buffy OMWF as
when singing cha cha music in my head, I slip into practising
cha cha steps while walking down the sidewalk (which, this being
NYC, must add to someone's amusement...)
Sophie
Summer amnesia- tiny spoilers for 7.1 -- Tchaikovsky,
09:51:32 09/30/02 Mon
The sixth season, for all its idiosyncracies and macabre tone
at times, ended with a traditional flourish. In Whedon-world,
we know that happy endings are occasional, and even these tend
to be false. So we weren't all that surprised that the world was
saved, (could even ME do Season 7 post-apocalypse?), but that
we were left with intriguing emotional questions about Spike,
Willow and Buffy and to a lesser extent the rest of the characters.
Now we get to see these questions not resolved, but at least extended.
And, to a large extent, Lessons brings all the thoughts back into
play. But there's a but. And here it is. But we appear to have
completely lost thoughts of Tara. Now we've had the discussion
everywhere about the rights and wrongs of killing Tara, and many
of the threads have become self-referential and moved away from
the art, (television show won't do it justice, will it?) which
we are handed so liberally. But aren't we entitled to see, in
the quasi-paradisal scene near Bath, (I live there and recognised
little), that Willow isn't just dealing with 'Everything being
connected', or with the consequences of killing Warren, or with
'chanelling' her energy (instead of Marti Noxon addiction metaphor),
but also with some very real grief? We've had angry bad Willow,
but now we need to see a broken, (or at least distraught) character
dealing with not only magic, but losing the love of her life.
At the end of the 'Entropy' shooting script, Drew Z Greenberg,
(evilly, in classic Buffy writer's style), describes the love
that Willow and Tara have found as 'Truly and forever', which
makes reading the script almost more emotional than watching the
scene, to me at least, (go on, call me a freak). If we lose 'forever'
in actuality, we should at least see the absence of Tara, (dare
I say 'negative space'?) in not only Willow's life, but also,
importantly, Dawn's. Tara is Dawn's grown-up in Season Six, while
her previous mentors are crashing cars, working in fast food joints,
or even attempting to rape her sister. Now I realise that I'm
damn impatient and it's probably all coming, but somewhere in
there with Quippy Buffy and our new mini-Slayer, could we not
see some grief? 'Back to the Beginning' (aside from the questions
that the Master's comments have on Joss's mission statement for
this year), should be only a style, not a forgetting of major
plot points.
There are moments in Season Six where Buffy is still coming to
terms with the events of 'The Body'. In 'Flooded', we see her
failing to find the right sized sheets for Giles, apologising,
'Mom used to do this stuff' (Paraphrased). There are suggestions
of her attempting to fill the void in 'Doublemeat Palace', 'Life
Serial' and 'As You Were', (go play, you can find 'em). I will
not judge yet, but we need at least these meagre fragments before
I for one will allow our Mind Champion to 'rest in peace'.
[> Re: Summer amnesia- tiny spoilers for 7.1 -- Vickie,
10:25:04 09/30/02 Mon
I agree that Tara should still be being mourned, but let's remember
that we've seen about 42 minutes of these folks' lives. For all
we know, missing Tara is a big part of the other three months,
29 days, 23 hours, and eighteen minutes.
In my experience, grief hits in strange and unpredictable ways.
After four months, even Willow most likely wouldn't be grieving
24x7. Instead, things might be "normal" for hours at
a time, then suddenly she sees something beautiful and thinks
"I have to remember to tell Tara about that," and then
remembers that she can't...
Also, consider the inappropriate reaction to sorrow that Willow
had. She couldn't face the pain of loss, and so turned to rage.
The violence of her vengeance, and her subsequent remorse, made
the whole thing about her. Willow's story (the going
to England, the starting to redeem herself) has become more central
than Tara's death.
As for the others, it seems that maybe Tara's loss would be less
significant for Buffy and Xander. Maybe not for Dawn. Again, we've
only seen 42 minutes.
[> [> Art imitates life? -- Tchaikovsky, 10:51:11
09/30/02 Mon
Vickie- goodness you've done your math(s).
By the same reasoning, however, we have, for example, the 22 episodes
of Season Seven, totalling about 15 hours television, which is
supposed to tell us all we need to know about the characters'
lives in nine months. Obviously, no TV show can be entirely naturalistic,
(although 'The Body' comes about as close as I've seen, along
with 'The Royle Family' in the UK), so the precious window of
life we're given is supposed to be representative of the ie week
that the characters are in. I'm not asking for a disproportionate
time spent, not even a proportionate time, merely some shards
of sadness in, particularly, Willow and Dawn.
I totally agree with your comments on grief. Maybe that moment
when Willow realises she can't tell Tara something is the moment
I'm after. And maybe I'll still get it. I just have an impatient
brain, (and, evidently, fingers...)
Yes, Willow's concerns about herself have become more central
to the story, but that was a writer's (creator's) decision. I
was happy, (mmmm, maybe not the mot juste, but never mind), to
ignore Tara's demise through 'Villains', 'Two To Go', and 'Grave',
as they were about finishing the season, and big-bust-ups, but
now I don't want her to be 'tabula rasa-ed'. You don't think Willow's
done a spell to make them forget, do you? Now that would be a
twist...
[> [> [> Re: Art imitates life? -- Vickie,
10:58:02 09/30/02 Mon
I doubt she's done another Tabula Rasa spell. But I'm sure we're
in danger of the ME folks plunging ahead with their cheerier season
when some of us want to see the consequences.
We'll just have to trust in Joss (er, Marti, er, ME), and wait
to see what they come up with. I expect something to be said at
least when Willow returns. We can hope.
[> [> Re: Summer amnesia- tiny spoilers for 7.1
-- anom, 11:16:29 09/30/02 Mon
"In my experience, grief hits in strange and unpredictable
ways."
True. And in my experience, traumatic events of all kinds can
hit months later, after you think you're...well, not over them,
but back to something approaching normal. Maybe some of their
reactions to Tara's death are about to hit, & we're just being
shown the background it's going to happen against.
"Willow's story (the going to England, the starting to redeem
herself) has become more central than Tara's death."
And it needs to be. Willow's power & her problems nearly wiped
out human life. She needs to focus on dealing w/them. But that
doesn't have to mean leaving Tara out entirely. Maybe the writers
felt they couldn't have shown this aspect adequately in a brief
mention & are leaving it till they can give it the time &
attention it deserves.
[> [> [> Bigger Spoilers for Season 7 -- sergio,
16:25:10 09/30/02 Mon
There is supposed to be a scene in 7.3 where Xander takes Willow
to Tara's grave. Guess that would solve this problem?
[> [> [> [> If you really want a season seven
focusing more on Tara... -- ZachsMind, 19:12:36 09/30/02
Mon
I attempted to write a few episodes of what I'd do for season
seven and posted them to my website. www.zachsmind.com/buffy
I didn't finish the season, and it seems kinda pointless now that
the real thing has started to complete what I started, but particularly
the episode "Unrest" should appease diehard Tara fans.
[> I don't think it's been forgotten at all. -- HonorH,
11:46:06 09/30/02 Mon
However, it's been months since Tara's death. Three to four months,
to be precise. The immediate grief has already faded, and they're
moving on in Sunnydale and England. I have no doubt the lingering
grief will be addressed in upcoming eps, especially when Willow
returns.
[> Re: Summer amnesia- tiny spoilers for 7.1 -- Wisewoman,
12:37:56 09/30/02 Mon
Call me crazy, but I saw the effect of losing Tara in every single
second that Willow was on screen. The fact that she was never
mentioned in the script makes this a testament to AH's acting
and JW's directing abilities.
In Dawn, no. But hey, first day at a new high school, I can forgive
a teenager that.
;o) dub
[> We missed the funeral... -- ZachsMind,
19:00:33 09/30/02 Mon
Joss Whedon tends to tell the tales of Buffy in 'real time.' We
are to assume, except when specifically denoted otherwise in a
given episode, that the episode we're watching happened the day
we see it. It's why Buffy made that quip last season, "Dawn's
in trouble? Must be Tuesday." It should seem kinda strange
to her that bad things usually happen to her on or around Tuesdays.
Likewise, each season tends to start in September and end somewhere
around May. Buffy's birthday happens to be mentioned around the
same time every year. It's kinda silly perhaps, but it's how Whedon's
writing team operates.
Because of this, we missed the funeral. Tara died in the last
day or so of last season, and so they had the funeral several
days into our rerun summer. Willow probably didn't stay for the
funeral, although we don't know that. Odds are Giles carted her
off to England immediately. To be honest I don't even think Tara
should be buried in Sunnydale. Remember her family's from out
of town. If they got wind that she was murdered, they'd probably
come and cart off her body. Then do some kinda mantra over her
that turns her into a demon so she can come back to life and kill
everybody.
Remember. Her family believed she was going to become a demon
when she turned 20. Maybe they were right, just got her age wrong.
I'm not saying that three months is necessarily enough time to
mourn, but life does go on. I'm sure everyone mourned for Tara
in their own way. Whedon's writing staff just didn't bother to
let us in on it. Some years ago Buffy ran off and left Sunnydale
for an entire summer, and we got a glimpse of what her life was
in the episode "Anne" but there may have been other
adventures that we didn't see. We don't get to see every waking
moment of their lives on television.
That's what fan fiction is for. *smirk*
Question from a puzzled Brit - re. 7.1, so spoilers, presumably!
-- Marie, 08:56:26 09/30/02 Mon
And may I apologise if this has already been discussed ad infinitum
- no chance to catch up with the posts!
I just wondered why on earth Buffy would allow Dawn to go to the
School Over the Hellmouth, when she was in a school already, which
presumably wasn't Hellmouthy. Was any reason given for this in
the episode? I mean, given Buffy's history with, and knowledge
of, her old school, is it realistic to suppose that she'd let
her sister go anywhere near it?
Marie
[> Re: Question from a puzzled Brit - re. 7.1, so spoilers,
presumably! -- JCC, 09:03:09 09/30/02 Mon
Buffy explained that she couldn't afford private schooling and
other schools were too far away or full.
JCC
[> Re: Question from a puzzled Brit - re. 7.1, so spoilers,
presumably! -- Darby, 09:32:03 09/30/02 Mon
The assumption is that Dawn's former school was temporary, while
the new one was being built. Once the new one was up, everyone
in that district was obliged to go there.
[> [> Re: Darwn's former school -- Robert, 09:37:59
09/30/02 Mon
I believe that Dawn's former school was the junior high, and that
Dawn is attending her first year in high school.
[> Re: Sunnydale H.S. (spoilers for "Lessons")
-- Robert, 09:33:41 09/30/02 Mon
>>> "I just wondered why on earth Buffy would allow
Dawn to go to the School Over the Hellmouth, ..."
Marie, this is an excellent question and the board would have
been smoking with disgust if it had not been handled in the episode.
Buffy compained that she could not change districts and she could
not afford a private school. In California, the high school you
attend is determined by where you live. Some school districts
will allow a student to attend a different high school under special
circumstances; such as to take advantage of a special sports or
music program. In general, as long as you receive your education
through public money, the public entities get to tell you from
where you get that education.
My quess is that Sunnydale has only the one high school and therefore,
unless Buffy moves out of Sunnydale, there is no keeping Dawn
away from the hellmouth. Buffy probably can't afford to move either.
Having said all this, there was one other option that Buffy didn't
mention. That would be home schooling. California does allow home
schooling, though the student must show progress via the standardized
exams. Buffy kept dropping hints to Dawn that she could drop out.
Buffy also suggested to the principal that Dawn should be expelled
or suspected. I'm guessing that Buffy would have been in favor
of home schooling even if Dawn wasn't.
[> Answer for puzzled Brits - no spoilers, presumably!
-- Cactus Watcher, 09:38:14 09/30/02 Mon
Dawn has moved up a level in her schooling. Last year she was
attending a middle school, sometimes called a junior high school,
which roughly covers school grades 7 through 9. She is now going
to high school which covers 10 through 12. High schools and middle
schools are usually in different buildings and can be located
miles apart even though they serve the same school district (as
we call them).
[> [> Re: Answer for puzzled Brits - no spoilers,
presumably! -- celticross, 09:57:07 09/30/02 Mon
Sunnydale High seems to go the older route of being a 9-12 school,
as I believe Dawn is just a 9th grader this year. It is getting
more common for high schools to be grades 10-12, but there are
still quite a few that are grades 9-12, making the junior highs
grades 7 and 8 or sometimes 6-8.
(Though I know that's a lot of American school speak that doesn't
help Marie much! :)
[> [> [> Re: Answer for puzzled Brits - no spoilers,
presumably! -- CW, 10:13:10 09/30/02 Mon
Not a big argument here with celticross, but Dawn will be 16 this
year, which is a more common age for a sophomore (10th grader).
For the Brits again, there really is confusion as celticross implies.
I was describing what was most common for simplicity. I went to
high school in 9th grade. In my district the classes before and
after me went to middle school in the 9th grade. It was all a
matter of what was convenient in the way of putting students in
classrooms in the buildings available.
[> [> [> [> Re: Answer for puzzled Brits - no
spoilers, presumably! -- celticross, 10:35:45 09/30/02
Mon
Good point, CW...I'd forgotten about Dawn's age. I suppose I was
going on the fact that even if 3 year high schools are becoming
more common, most TV shows tend to still show 4 year schools.
And with all the talk of it being Dawn's "first day of high
school", implying she wasn't attending high school last year...
Silly me. That's what I get for assuming. Darn TV cliches! :)
[> [> [> [> [> From inside the system (formerly):
-- HonorH, 11:54:40 09/30/02 Mon
Three-year high schools aren't actually all that common, but I
can see why they'd have one in Sunnydale. More common nowadays
are middle schools for grades 6-8 and four-year high schools.
However, 7-9 year junior highs are still in common usage other
places. I can see Sunnydale having one because the old high school
had been blown up and there wasn't a good alternative--thus, they'd
want to keep high school numbers low, and a 7-9 year junior high
would certainly help with that. Which leads me to believe Dawn
is, indeed, a 10th-grade freshman.
[> [> [> [> [> [> 10th grade freshman?
-- CW, 13:16:56 09/30/02 Mon
Aha! Now we know you're a spy sent to disrupt Anglo-American
mutual understanding! ;o)
[> [> [> But Dawn's sixteen -- Vickie, 10:13:41
09/30/02 Mon
She was fifteen last year, so she's either sixteen or will be
very soon now. That means she should be in grade 10, just as Buffy
and the gang were in S1. Unless she was kept back for too much
keyness and real life. Which, one would think, they would have
told us on the show.
Back to the beginning, right?
The only sense I can make out of it is that Dawn was attending
another City of Sunnydale high school until the one in her district
was rebuilt (last year). Now that SHS is open, she has to go there
unless she changes districts or attend private school. (Home schooling
might be an option, but what social worker would accept Buffy
schooling her very bright but recently poorly performing younger
sister?)
We know that there were other high schools in town. The cheerleaders
who were Frankensteined in Some Assembly Required went
to one of them. Though I suppose that could have been a private
school, like the academy the girl in Reptile Boy attended.
[> [> [> [> Re: But Dawn's sixteen -- newlurker,
10:59:04 09/30/02 Mon
It would work if her birthdate falls after the school cutoff (September
1st for many schools) and she's going into 10th grade. If she's
going into 9th, more it's likely a continuity glitch by tptb.
[> [> [> [> Re: But Dawn's sixteen -- Miss
Edith, 12:27:18 09/30/02 Mon
Does anyone else remember Dawn telling the guy she was trying
to impress in ATW that she was in high school? He asks if she's
a sophmore and she says "I wish" and then states she
is a freshman and way down on the bottom off the rung. I'm sure
that's what was said. And the actress herself said in the UK Buffy
magazine that Dawn is a sophomore this year.
[> [> [> [> [> Re: But Dawn's sixteen
-- meritaten, 12:38:23 09/30/02 Mon
Some high schools only house grades 10 through 12.
Buffy and Isaiah, Chapter 11****SPOILERS for Season 7****
LONG*** -- EMCEE, 18:16:29 09/30/02 Mon
I hope these thoughts below are a mixture of new ideas and old
discussions presented in a new way. I am sorry if this is redundant.
This post may be a bit disorganized and ramble off in many directions.
Thanks be to Masq. who provides this board which I can post these
ideas on.
It has occurred to me that one of the more important concepts
of Season One is very apparent in Season Seven from watching Lessons.
What is it you may ask? I say ìa child shall lead themî
as spoken all those years ago by The Master. What I am talking
about is The Anointed One. In Season Seven, the ones who seem
most anointed are Dawn, the obvious choice, and Spike, a choice
which may seem a little of the wall. These ideas promoted me to
search for the origins of ìa child shall lead themî
which lead me to Isaiah 11 available here:
http://www.christiananswers.net/bible/isa11.html
This passage has said a lot of things to me with regards to Season
Seven speculation from posters such as WtP at The Stakehouse.
The following will feature a breakdown of Isaiah 11, the King
James Version, and my thoughts of Season Seven.
1. And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse,
and a branch shall grow out of his roots:
2. And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit
of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might,
the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
3. And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the
LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither
reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4. But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove
with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the
earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips
shall he slay the wicked.
My understanding of this section is that a messiah will be formed
(from part one, the rod from Jesseís roots) and this messiah
person will be indoctrinated into the ways of that ìLORDî
to aid in the destruction to all that which pose as opposition.
Buffy has been about the duality of good and evil so what I see
is that there will be an Anointed One for evil and an Anointed
One for good.
Who would be the Anointed One for good who is in their infancy?
The most obvious one would be Dawn since she is being taught the
ways of the good and she is a child of sorts. Other obvious choices
though they are not children really are Buffy since she is the
ìchosen oneî and Xander since he has always represented
humanity and has excelled in the more positive aspects of it such
as loyalty and friendship. I think, though he is least obvious
Spike will be the Anointed One for the Good because: A) IMO, Spike
is in a sense, reborn with his new soul and therefore he is in
a child like development phase. B) Spike in his madness (last
scene Lessons, comments made in Beneath You (The wildfeed from
Leoff)) seems to be the medium for those who are powerful in the
spirit realm of good and evil or *giggle* the powers that be.
Spike, like Mercury, will be the messenger of the gods for the
SG.
Who would be the Anointed One for Evil? Here again the obvious
choice would be the principle Robin Wood due to his office resting
on the gate of the Hellmouth and his ìbastinadaî
comment (Leoffís wildfeed)). This ties the Isaiah passage
quoted above (the rod) and within the context of how it was referenced
way back in season one with The Master. The least obvious choice
would be Dawn but there are many good reasons why she would ìlead
them (SG) unto evilî. These reasons are: A)as mentioned
before, she is a child of sorts, B) she is the person attending
the school which houses the hellmouth (I will refer to this as
the house of hell) C) she is being trained in the ways of the
Slayer which clearly in the last scene (Spike and the Big Bads
leading up to Buffy) showed that slayerdom was being connected
to great evilness with Buffyís position in that parade
D) with Dawnís cell phone call to Buffy -> didnít
she lead Buffy to trouble in the depths of the place which houses
hell, hmmmm. Where Buffy diverges away from this part of Isaiah
is that I think Dawn is being used as a naÔve pawn of evil.
Also, Buffy has been about twisting the traditional roles on their
heads. With Dawn being the Anointed One for Evil and Spike being
the Anointed One for Good it succeeds in doing this. This presents
the idea of the perceived good leading to bad and the perceived
bad leading to good and *giggle* the whole ugly mess which shall
ensue.
5. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness
the girdle of his reins.
My understanding of this section is that doing the right thing
according to the god that is served and being loyal to that god
would be tied to the Anointed One since girdle means a belt or
a sash or a purse.
This got me thinking about the role of Faith (hmmm wonder why?
*giggle* since she will be coming back this season as reported
and of Xander. The connection of Faith to Dawn and Xander to Spike
is very evident. Faith, since she has been aware of and comfortable
with the dark side of the Slayer (I know, way to much watching
of the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones on my ëputer)
she would be an ideal accessory to Dawnís development in
these areas. Xander, since he is as mentioned before humanities
representative, showing the positive and the negative, he would
be an ideal and important accessory to Spike. *Giggle* who better
to show Spike his humanity and it has been reported that Spike
and Xanderís relationship will grow.
6. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall
lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the
fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall
lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
From this section I get that due to this gods influence there
will be strange bedfellows made!
It is obvious that this strengthens William the Poets assertions
in his posts about Midsummer Nights Dream to The Stakehouse. He
has that Principle Wood has a Puckish nature and the play itself
details how some characters under a mystical love potions are
made to love those who they would not normally love. The question
here is will Principle Wood be an assistant to the Anointed One?
8. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and
the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
From this section I get that the learning child will learn close
by the snakes den and the child who has learned will go in to
confront the large snake in his house.
This had me a whirring. Firstly both Dawn and Spike ARE the sucking
child in their respective developments and both are going to be
spending great amounts of time learning about who they are at
the house of hell. This further suggests to me that once Dawn
and Spike reach a more adolescent/adult phase of their development
that they will (along with the SG) fight the Big Bad at the house
of hell.
This part illustrates who the Big Bad could be too if in fact
Isaiah 11 is the key to Season Seven. This section further strengthens
that assertion because it equates the evil to a snake which can
be related in biblical terms is Satan.
I had an odd thought here related to this section very loosely
which is one has to acknowledge the fact that the Evil which is
housed by the new school (house of hell) and Spike have a great
deal in common. The Evil is sporting a new set of clothes just
like Spike is (aka Justin TimberSpike comments) so that Evil can
also, in a sense, be an Anointed one too (in infancy, learning
about self, etc.). From this perspective one could speculate that
the Evil could lead the SG to their inner snake dens or their
ìworst nightmaresî further strengthening William
the Poets assertions in posts that he has made to The Stakehouse.
9. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for
the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters
cover the sea.
10. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall
stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek:
and his rest shall be glorious.
11. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall
set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his
people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and
from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and
from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble
the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth.
13. The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries
of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah
shall not vex Ephraim.
14. But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward
the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall
lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall
obey them.
15. And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian
sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the
river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go
over dryshod.
16. And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people,
which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in
the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
What I get from this is that the power of the LORD will come again.
This Lord will set about events to make it easier for those in
all the land to band together under his rule such as providing
a leader/Anointed one (this ultimately ended up being Christ eventually),
fostering forgiveness and setting about cataclysmic acts to abridge
his people by providing them a route to follow. This Christ figure
coupled with this band will spread that power of the LORD to all
along this path.
How I see this relating to Buffy is that the forces of evil will
cease to kill each other and will band together under The Chosen
One of Evil to conquer the world and the opening up of The Hellmouth
shall be their highway. As in the past, Dawn has been The Key
to opening up this highway of hell, I see her being used in this
way again. I also see that she coupled with Spike will be the
ones chosen to lead the SG into hell and to the Anti-Christ. Concurrently,
I see that the SG will mend the broken bridges which have been
created from the forces of evil and act as one. This makes me
think back to how the SG fought against Adam and Restless and
also strengthens the theory of a Stand-ish (referring to the book
by Stephen King called the Stand) battle at the end from a multitude
of sources.
Also what is interesting is how Isaiahís words and Spikes
words in Beneath You connect. Using direct quotes from each it
is apparent. From Isaiah ìAnd in that day there shall be
a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people;
to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be gloriousî.
From Leoffs wildfeed: ìHis words come fourth, almost as
if scripture (it might be actual bible text, I'm unsure). Buffy
watches in stunned silence as he approaches a large cross at the
front of the church. "Can we rest now, Buffy?" he asks
as he leans and hugs the cross with his bare chest, his skin starting
to smoke at it's touch. "Can we rest?"î I am left
with much to think about.
There are several gaps which puzzle me and I see no answers here.
Firstly I have not mentioned the role of Willow, Anya nor the
Scrappys will play in the season ahead. I will watch carefully
as these roles are unfolded. Also going ìBack to the Beginningî
Spike killed the Anointed One in Season Two. It was the old world
evil being destroyed to make way for a new world evil. Coupled
with this is the Restless connection, where Spike is being pictured
while he forms the cross with his body. These I believe are important
pieces of the puzzle in terms of Spikes role which should not
be overlooked. The question remains is will Spike slay an old
world evil, therefore sacrificing himself to achieve a new world
good? And by doing so will he embody the Sanshu prophesy and be
granted his humanity? hmmmmm.
Cheers
[> Spoilers in above post for 7.1, future casting, future
spec for BB, Dawn & Spike. -- shadowkat, 06:05:28 10/01/02
Tue
From a quick scan didn't see any major spoilers for upcoming episodes,
but I didn't want to spoil myself.
I printed this off for later reading after tonight's
and next week's episode.
Hi, EMCEE - can you let the board know if there are any episodes
past 7.1 spoiled?? Since most of the people here are staying spoiler
free. Thanks for posting this
btw. It looks like a fascinating read.
S7 finale: Looking forward by looking backwards (*spoilers
7.1*) -- Alvin, 19:25:00 09/30/02 Mon
One of the joys of living in the St.Louis area is seeing Buffy
almost a week after everyone else. Since just about everything
has already been studied and analyzed (and everything about Spike
many times), I thought I'd throw out something new: What's with
the three zombies and what role do they play which leads me to
the s7 finale.
To backtrack for a moment, when I got S2 on DVD, by accident I
watched WSWB after Becoming, and I was amazed at how much the
start and end of s2 parallel each other. It had been mentioned
on this board how much Bargaining and TTG/Grave paralled each
other and this got me thinking that the other seasons did this
as well. In Anne Buffy rescues teenage captives in another dimension
while in Graduation she saves the SD graduating class. In the
Freshman she fights alone while the Scoobies gather to help; in
Primeval she fights alone while the Scoobies pool their powers
to help. As I recall, in BvsD she does a jump off a balcony onto
the table; the gift a jump off the tower. The details for the
other seasons are a bit hazy since I didn't start taping the show
until recently, but looking back it seems that there were parallel
elements in all seasons. (In s1 I think there's a parallel between
between Luke and the Master, but the season is only half of the
others, I don't think the parallels are as fully fleshed out)
To sum up, ME has a pattern of the beginning paralleling the end.
Another pattern ME has is the "surprise" bad guy. The
kid in S1, followed by Angel, Faith, Forrest, Ben, and Willow.
People that start out as good guys, but end up as bad guys. So
if the pattern holds, somebody this year will turn (or seduced/forced/tricked)
to evil.
Which finally leads me back to the question I started with: Why
those three zombies? If the purpose was to make Buffy feel guilty,
why didn't Jenny show up? Instead we have a young man, a young
woman, and an older man. The big fight was Buffy vs these three
while Dawn hands her weapons. So I make a prediction: that the
big finale battle will be Buffy vs the Scoobies (Xander, Willow,
Giles- a young man, a young woman, and an older man)
But who will be evil? I lean toward the Scoobies. The zombies
all tell Buffy that she didn't save them. If Buffy had to choose
between one sister or three friends, which way would she go? That
would explain why Dawn is on Buffy's side, but helping from the
sidelines.
Several people here have commented that all the talk about power
echoes Checkpoint, but Primeval/Restless also dealt with power.
As the Master says, we're going back to the beginning and a time
before the beginning is primeval.
And now for some odds and ends from Lessons:
1) All the times Buffy is taken as the Mother and Dawn as the
daughter. (Daughter of Sinea, First of the ones...)
2) Buffy: "Duck. There's a duck?" (Brings to mind Anya's
comedy routine in Restless)
3) Dawn's making a weapon out of a purse. (In Restless, Buffy
has weapons in her bag, but it's filled with clay)
4) The First Evil spoke using other characters as its voice, but
then so does the First Slayer. (First Evil, First Slayer, odd
similiarity, eh?)
5) Willow's "It's all connected" speech (The Scoobies
and Buffy were all connected in Primeval)
I think this season will be about the origin of the slayer, and
the power of the slayer appears to be rooted in darkness. Buffy's
dealt with this power for years and is used to it; the Scoobies
were linked to it but are defenseless to it.
[> I think you're on to something... (more spec &
poss. spoilers) LONG! -- ZachsMind, 20:53:42 09/30/02 Mon
I concur that it's possible aspects of any given season's first
episode are echoed in the season finales. One can also say there's
repeating motifs & themes throughout that interweave. I've
seen a lot of things since "Restless" that cause me
to mentally replay a scene from that episode in my head as a new
episode is going, but I could just be reading more into it than
intended. Joss may or may not be thinking this intensely about
it. We may never know.
It did seem strange that Joss went out of his way to bring back
the Big Bads of all previous seasons for that final scene with
Spike, yet when we get to the three spooks manifested via that
talisman, the spooks are just generic 'victim/baddies' that don't
harken back to past seasons. I mean, does anybody recognize them?
They look familiar and yet they're not.
Alvin said: "Which finally leads me back to the question
I started with: Why those three zombies? If the purpose was to
make Buffy feel guilty, why didn't Jenny show up? Instead we have
a young man, a young woman, and an older man. The big fight was
Buffy vs these three while Dawn hands her weapons. So I make a
prediction: that the big finale battle will be Buffy vs the Scoobies
(Xander, Willow, Giles- a young man, a young woman, and an older
man)"
As I said, you may be on to something, but I predict the big finale
will be reversed. It's gonna be Buffy vs Xander, Willow and Giles,
but it's gonna be a power play for control, and Buffy may not
be on the side of 'good' per se. In fact I think Joss' whole thrust
this season is very Nietzsche-esque. He's going to put into question
the whole GOOD VS EVIL thing.
The female spook in the first episode made a point to say she
was a victim of a werewolf. Why wasn't she a victim of a vampire
or a demon? Why a werewolf? I think that was echoing Willow, who
metaphorically had her heart cut out by the werewolf Oz.
The young male spook in the first episode made a point to ask
Dawny for a pencil, then he used it to attempt to poke her eye
out. Pencils are made of wood. Xander's a carpenter. Buffy also
made a point to say the spook wasn't a hottie when he wanted to
be Dawn's boyfriend, which echoes back to Xander's lack of a woof
factor back in his high school days. To Buffy, Angel was more
of a hottie than Xander, and she says almost the same thing to
this spook loser. Maybe I'm stretching, but it looks to me that
this young male spook could be a distorted mirror image of Xander.
The janitor? Well, Giles was never a janitor. He was a librarian.
However, he was an employee of the school like the janitor, and
Giles was always sorta cleaning up after Buffy's messes back in
their high school days.
Yeah it's a stretch, but the three spooks do seem to be parabolic
representations of Giles, Xander and Willow.
Now, back to my theory that Buffy might not be one of the good
guys at the season finale. At the end of season six, we had some
major moral ambiguity going on. Willow was taking justice into
her own hands. Warren killed Tara, so Willow decided she'd kill
Warren. When she killed Warren and still felt that emptiness inside,
she decided to go after Jonathan and.. that.. uh, other guy.
THEN when she almost killed Giles and got that big jolt of magicks
in her, Willow decided to finish the entire planet. Not out of
vengeance, but because she suddenly felt this sorrowful pity for
"those poor bastards" which I could only take to mean
all the people on the planet who were suffering. Everything from
that guy with an ingrown hangnail that was bugging him to that
woman in Timbuktu who lost her baby. Willow just suddenly felt
this immense sense of remorse for the entire human race and decided
to make everybody feel better by ending their suffering and just
killing them all outright. She was COMPLETELY MENTAL but from
her perspective, it made perfect sense. As Nietzsche said once,
(I'm paraphrasing) one should be careful when killing monsters
not to become one oneself.
Now let's look at Buffy. She's technically UNDEAD. I mean she's
died twice. The power that makes her a Slayer is coming from questionable
sources. Some argue that the first Slayer energies come from a
primeval source. My bet is that it actually comes from The First
Evil, because the First Slayer is pretty damn old, and so's the
First Evil.
It's not about good and evil. It's about power. I think that's
what that's all about. The First Evil is going to somehow take
control of Buffy, and it'll be up to Xander, Giles and Willow
to set her straight. Also keep in mind the rumors that Sarah Michelle
Gellar's not planning on returning for season eight, so Buffy
MAY BE expendable by season's end.
Granted, she has died twice and then come back from the dead,
but the third time's the charm!
[> [> Re: I think you're on to something too... (more
spec & spoilers & insane ramblings) -- grifter, 04:19:57
10/01/02 Tue
Maybe the final battle really won¥t be about good or evil...
Let me theorize a little: in Joss¥ comic book "Fray",
which plays in the Buffyverse¥s future, demons and magic have
been banned from the earth after a big battle involving a Slayer
(probably Buffy)and her "magical allies".
So, could it be that the final battle will be about demons and
magic being banned from our world? Could it be that Buffy wants
just that, but Willow/Giles/Xander don¥t? (Willow and Giles
argue that Magic is a far too important part of the world to just
lock away, and demons are the way the universe "balances"
this; Xander doesn¥t want to lose demon-Anya)
Another thought:
The Talisman, (a symbol for Magic) is in the end destroyed by
Xander and he is fought by "GhostWillow". They stress
that Xander and Willow love each other during every "Last
time on Buffy the Vampire Slayer..." when Xander tells her
so in the scene from the end of "Grave", so maybe the
final confrontation will be between those two friends, the "normal"
human and the "magical" witch?
Some other points to think about:
"GhostWillow/Giles/Xander" guard a door that leads to
Spike and, maybe more importantly, the shapeshifter-thingie-Big
Bad...
Dawn is the "Key", keys open AND close doors...
A portal is closed by the "Slayer and her magical allies"
in "Fray", locking out magic and demons from our world...
Hmm, maybe Dawn could CLOSE something for a change? Maybe the
Hellmouth?
[> [> Re: I think you're on to something... (more
spec & poss. spoilers) LONG! -- Alvin, 17:33:46 10/01/02
Tue
I thought it might be Buffy that becomes evil, or perhaps seems
to be evil to her friends, but that seemed too simple. The zombies
were often seen in mirrors which, to me, implied that they might
be reversed. Since what's evil depends on how you define it, it
could be that both sides are acting in what they feel is a "good"
way. After all, Willow, in her destroy the world attempt, thought
she was acting in a compassionate manner while Buffy attacks her
friends in NA because she feels its the "right" thing
to do. I just felt that it seemed that Spike was getting all the
attention when there was a lot of other stuff going on.
[> [> [> Was thinking of this thread while watching
7.2 (small spoiler for 7.2, of course) -- dream of the consortium,
06:41:42 10/02/02 Wed
Just a little thing, but Buffy does echo Willow's words from back
in season 2 - "Do I get to give detention?" These have
been referenced frequently by fans looking for early signs of
Willow's power-hungry tendencies. Were they trying to link Buffy
with Willow?
[> [> [> [> Willow's addiction in The Yoko Factor
-- Scroll, 07:02:43 10/02/02 Wed
Hmm, if we're talking about referencing old eps, I think Willow's
cutesy talk to Miss Kitty Fantastico in "The Yoko Factor"
indicates that Joss was planning this whole magic addiction metaphor
long ago.
Willow (holding Miss Kitty up to her face): I can be dramatic!
(hamming it up) 'You - cannot have - more catnip! You - have a
catnip problem!'"
Not really relevant to this thread, but I thought I'd share after
catching "The Yoko Factor" on Space.
[> I have nothing to offer but trivilialities.....
-- dream of the consortium, 06:11:54 10/01/02 Tue
It's vey depressing.
Nonetheless, here 'tis: Was the janitor the one that died while
Buffy did aerobics in The Dark Age?
[> [> Ooh, and typos! -- dream, 06:13:18 10/01/02
Tue
[> [> [> Re: Ooh, and typos! -- grifter, 07:08:44
10/01/02 Tue
Hey, our typos are what seperates us from animals! Oh, whoops,
actually they seperate us from being literate...darn! ;)
[> [> Re: I have nothing to offer but trivilialities.....
-- Lyonors, 12:26:49 10/01/02 Tue
Or could he have been the janitor in IOHEFY. But then again, I
can't say for sure if that janitor died, or just the teacher....hmmm....no
time to check Psyche either.
*mutters to herself* damn the nonprofit arts, damn the nutcracker,
damn budgets and damn pointe shoes
Harumph. There, now I feel better. :o)
Ly.
[> [> [> Re: I have nothing to offer but trivilialities.....
-- meritaten, 22:47:02 10/01/02 Tue
Sorry for asking the same thing as you.
How is it that I'm the only person who can't resist posting before
reading the whole thread?
[> [> [> [> Re: I have nothing to offer but
trivilialities..... -- anom, 10:54:05 10/02/02 Wed
"How is it that I'm the only person who can't resist posting
before reading the whole thread?"
Oh, you're not. Not by any means. I've done it plenty of times.
Sometimes it's because I don't refresh the screen & see new
posts that say the same thing, & sometimes I just don't have
time to read it all, or have an immediate reaction that I just
have to communicate before I read the rest of the thread. And
then I find someone else had my wonderful insight first, &
said it more eloquently....
And sometimes when I do read the whole thread, I can't remember
which post I wanted to reply to! Or the thread is archived by
the time I send my post--as just happened.
[> [> [> [> [> Re: I have nothing to offer
but trivilialities..... -- meritaten, 19:34:45 10/02/02
Wed
Thanks.
Feeling less clod-like now.
[> [> Re: I have nothing to offer but trivilialities.....
-- meritaten, 22:44:11 10/01/02 Tue
That was one of Giles old friends - from that group he was involved
in when he was younger.
Or did someone else die that I forgot about?
Was the janitor in IOHEFY?
[> [> [> Re: I have nothing to offer but trivilialities.....
-- anom, 10:59:44 10/02/02 Wed
"Was the janitor in IOHEFY?"
Did the janitor in that ep die? I thought he was arrested, &
there were some questions about his sanity, & we never heard
about a final result. Anyone have more definitive info?
[> [> [> [> My somewhat more than trivialities.
. . -- Finn Mac Cool, 13:56:20 10/02/02 Wed
The manifest spirits make references to the school being rebuilt
on their graves, and that they were the ones whose deaths no one
noticed. That's why they were the ones summoned instead of all
the other people who have died at Sunnydale High over the years.
My guess is that each of the three spirits died in the basement,
no one ever found their bodies, and that is why their spirits
were restless enough to be summoned by whoever (or whatever) planted
the talisman.