January 2003 posts
Buffy,
Frodo, and the Death Penalty -- luna, hoping this isn't another
rerun, 17:41:53 01/12/03 Sun
On a cold winter day in South Carolina, I finally got to see Lord
of the Rings (Two Towers). It was wonderful of course-I've loved
Tolkien for many years, just gave my son Myth and Middle Earth
for his birthday in hopes of soon reading it myself. But as I
watched it made me think of several things, some that have come
up here recently and some that have not.
First is the reason I saw it without my husband. His favorite
TV this weekend was the commutation of the death sentences in
Illinois. He loves fantasy-esp. things like The Secret of Roan
Inish, but has a growing abhorrence of violence. He really cannot
understand how I can enjoy Buffy because all he sees in the parts
of the shows he's been willing to watch is violence. I knew from
reviews and from the contents of the book that LOTR would be the
same for him. So first I'd like to ask how the rest of you think
about the violence.
On one hand, my first answer to him is that the violence is obviously
fake, esp. on BtVS-her incredible acrobatics, the ease of her
victories, the improbability of a small woman tirelessly defeating
huge men and monsters, etc. It's symbolic, I tell him. We're not
supposed to think about this violence the way we think about the
shootings in our town, or the possible war.
Symbolic of what? Well, of course, the eternal battles of good
and evil. Just as sex in alchemy or Hindu art is the union of
the human and the divine. Just symbolic.
The vampires and monsters in BtVS are so inhuman, and in LOTR
the Uruk-hai so hideous. Of course they're not real. But that
makes me really wonder about the symbolism of all the mythological
movies and TV shows that we see so much of. They give us such
an unreal, clear-cut division between good and evil. The incarnations
of evil are so clearly that-demons, beasts, not the reality of
soldiers who are humans like us, fighting for what we see as good,
or even criminals who might have a more complex situation than
being undead.
I often teach a book about the death penalty--A Lesson Before
Dying. Essentially it's about a man condemned to death and another
man whose job is to teach the condemned man that he is human.
It seems to me that in war and in the courts, what we do is dehumanize
people to allow us to kill them without regret or doubt.
Do shows like BtVs and books and movies like LotR help us to do
this? Do they help us teach our children that the enemy is a monster
who can be destroyed without regret?
Forgive me if this raises old issues. I'm trying to think it through.
[> Re: Buffy, Frodo, and
the Death Penalty -- Corwin of Amber, 18:41:01 01/12/03
Sun
I think what matters is how violence in portrayed. In BTVS, it's
usually an unfortunate necessary for Buffy to defend herself or
others. LOTR doesn't shy away from the fact that war is an ugly,
brutal, heartrending thing, but also suggests that it's sometimes
necessary to protect you and yours. It's the shows and movies
that portray violence as fun, that glamourize it that are a problem.
[> "Many who live deserve
death, and many who die deserve to live . . ." -- HonorH,
18:56:17 01/12/03 Sun
Actually, I'd say just the opposite lesson is learned, when it
comes down to it. S6 showed humans, not demons, as the most evil
force in Sunnydale. Buffy wasn't willing to kill the Troika or
Willow, though, because they were human and because they had a
chance to be redeemed, slight as it might be. "You don't
kill humans" has been her credo, in spite of the fact that
she herself might be something more than human. Faith got careless
with human life and used the old "Crime and Punishment"
line that an "exceptional" human is held to different
standards, and if an "ordinary" human got killed now
and again in the line of their Slayer duty, well, sh*t happens,
don't it? Buffy saw otherwise. She saw--and sees--her job as the
Slayer as being that of protecting humanity, even those who she
herself might see as unworthy.
In LotR, Bilbo and Frodo, in turn, take pity on the wretched creature
Gollum, though he's twisted, insane, and dangerous. They see him
as something that they could very well become under the influence
of evil. That gives them compassion, and each of them chooses
to spare Gollum's life. Frodo even tries to reach him, to save
him.
The whole Ring quest is to save Middle-Earth and keep its peoples
free, just as Buffy's job is to keep the humans of Sunnydale alive
and free. Helm's Deep is full of women and children when the army
of Uruk-Hai marches on it. The defenders are saving their lives
and the lives of their families. Just like Buffy only killed Knights
of Byzantium when they attacked her and hers. I think a line can
be drawn there--that violence is to be avoided, but in exceptional
circumstances, when you're defending your life or those you love,
it's necessary. It may not be ideal, but that's the way the world
is.
[> Tolkein & violence
-- Fred the obvious pseudonym, 19:05:28 01/12/03 Sun
Tolkien was an infantry officer in World War I. As such, he probably
loathed violence more than any of us here. As he said once, IIRC,
"I had ten good friends in 1914. By 1918 eight of them were
dead."
He also felt, however, again IIRC, that unilateral foreswearing
of violence would do little good; it only makes the task of the
vicious & greedy that much easier. So Tolkien's fictional struggles
in LOTR are in his construction necessary, but come at a high
cost, and are not to be welcomes (save by the foolish or witless.)
[> [> Chesterton Put
It Best.... -- BEV, 23:54:03 01/12/03 Sun
"Violence is never the best way of settling your differences,
but it is often the only way of not having them settled for you."
Diplomacy as Gandalf points out in the film version of the Fellowship
of The Ring, is never going to work on Sauron, a being of pure
evil. Gandalf tells Saruman atop Orthanc:
"There is only one Lord of The Ring. Only one who can bend
it to his will, and he...does not...share...power."
Similarly with Buffy, either she acts, or the Hellmouth swallows
Sunnydale, and presumably the rest of the world with it. The Hellmouth
does not share power.
I am a firm believer that violence is often the only recourse
we have to defend our freedom. I am wary of extreme positions
on either side. Ok, war should not entered into lightly, but also
one should never take it off the table as option to prevent greater
atrocities.
[> Violence Pants. --
Harry Parachute, having no idea what he just posted., 02:15:56
01/13/03 Mon
I don't get the problem with violence in media and entertainment
as much as I used to, and I don't have much issue with it either.
I like my entertainment with graphic violence coming out of the
pores. I watch disturbing gore-flicks like Evil Dead and Dead
Alive. I enjoy video games like Grand Theft Auto: Vice City and
Hitman: Silent Assassin...both of which rock, if you're into that
sort of thing. I get into some questionable horse-play with my
friends while drinking. And when I perform some self-reflection,
I don't sense anything chipping away at my humanity.
It's not all that puzzling why we would react to violence in a
favourable way. Violence, or physical violence, is just conflict
being resolved in the most immediate, intimate, and universal
manner. If you're seeing it on television or in the theatre you
don't need much of any backstory to get that there's conflict
happening, you don't even need to think about it at all. It's
a visceral reation, like adrenaline. It's in the blood. We feel
conflict through violence. All drama has conflict, so, no surprise
that when we're at a young age we do the Cowboys and Indians thing...or
Cowboys and Ninjas...which was my contribution to my play-group
during recess.
The real question is why do we respond to conflict? It's people
in discomfort and pain, any way you look at it. Maybe it's about
seeing the good in people when things are at their worst...but
ultimately I think that sort of intellectualizing is a load of
crap. We get what we want from watching it while watching it,
being engrossed in it, so what hooks us isn't higher-brain function
but its feeding a need. Now, deeper meaning makes us think about
a piece of work later and makes it a classic, granted, but what
gets us to stay in our seats is...something else that's a part
of us. I don't know what, but I'm guessing it's a dark, primal,
nasty, sadistic little monster.
Anyway, more to the point, you could just as easily turn the signified
and signifier around and say that all conflict in entertainment
that is not violent is in fact symbolic of violence...or actually
all conflict is violence that, when not directly physical, is
symbolic of it. Someone's always violated and something always
violates.
Is that where the word comes from? Violate? If anyone wants to
get into semantics, they can go for it.
And hey, why shouldn't we think of the relationship that way?
Violence came before story-telling, and we've been using it to
restore the statis-quo ever since the black obelisk came to town.
But on the topic of dehumanising in warfare...uh...well...we're
always going to do that. We dehumanize our foes in combat. It
helps get the job done. It's a natural by-product of you not being
me and you threatening me...and the little skeptic in us that
says, "Well, that may look like a person, but what proof
do you have of its internal state? Actually, who cares? He's armed."
And that sort of unconscious dialogue...the first part of it,
anyway...can lead to objectifying your friends and lovers, making
them idols of worship or respecting what they embody or...symbolize.
*blink* Actualize or symbolize? What is Virtue? Pass the Hemlock.
Point of the matter, our quality to truly relate to others is
always strained. T'ain't ever falling like the gentle rain.
...but the Death Penalty...that I support for purposes of practicality.
Some people are just severly damaged and deranged beings and are,
as far as I'm concerned, inhuman. Ever see any of those HBO interviews
with Richard Kiklinski, also known as The Iceman? Here's a remorseless
murderer who has brutally killed around 200 people, torturing
many of them, without a shred of guilt or disgust. I no longer
care about understanding him or getting him to understand he's
human. As far as I'm concerned, those things can't be done...because
he isn't. His brain doesn't work like a normal person's and nothing
can change that. Now, I don't hate him. I don't even really dislike
him...he's fairly charasmatic and a funny guy. All the same, we
should remove this monster and people like him from the gene pool
the same way we'd remove a defective item from the mass market.
They're bad for business.
To make a really bold statement, though I currently have the assistance
of liquid courage, I sometimes have trouble with our culture's
utter revulsion in hurting and killing others and second-guess
just how genuine those feelings really are. I doubt it all stems
from the noble roots of compassion and understanding, or even
the Golden Rule. I think on some level we're afraid of retribution
and pain and our own death. The Far East and India have a religion
that's based on monism, or at the very least a collective spirit,
and that has compassion and understanding as guiding principles.
You're still given plenty of room to move when it comes to violence
and combat. Look at the Bhagavad-Gita and the Kshatriya caste,
or the dueling Samurai and their feudal wars.
So yeah, I don't think the "We are the World" stance
is ground enough. The difference between our culture and those
cultures that allows them this room to move is the difference
between a liberal society and an honor-shame society. We value
life and health in itself and fear being deprived of it. They
don't...or didn't at any rate.
We see this in the health nuts and the attitude with euthanasia
and drug use and suicide...and it's all about doing whatever you
can to keep yourself in the game, running from the reaper. Ever
been to a funeral and get that really weird sense of nervousness
and...dissapointment in the person who died from the others gathered
around you? "Poor Bob, he didn't make it."
I mean, what the Hell is with that? What does that statement mean
anyway? Are we all perpetually preoccupied with the fear of the
shroud, trying to stay one step ahead of it? It's like they were
afraid of the body...like Mr. Death was hanging around or just
left. That stark elemental terror was there, man...It felt like
a bomb-shelter in wartime.
...
...Maybe something has been chipping away at a part of my humanity.
At the moment, I think it's the part the controls short term memory.
...
...right, so now I'm lost. Did I hijack?
*sip*
Well, in retrospect this may have crossed some lines...might as
well make a "Buffy's a Bitch" post next. I take zero
responsibility for my actions.
[> The problem of absolute
Evil -- KdS, 03:49:36 01/13/03 Mon
I think that there's a genuine moral problem here that can't be
simplistically dealt with by saying "it's all metaphorical".
Of course, clear binary good versus evil divisions are good for
mythic storytelling, and arguably as part of our moral development
we need to recognise the existence of good and evil first before
we start greying things up.
I think that Corwin, HonroH, and Fred hit the nail on the head
with Tolkein - he could get away with creating absolute Good and
Evil because of his feel for human corruptibility and his ability
to convey the horrors of war from personal experience (although
some critics still feel that he romanticises battle too much).
Similarly with BtVS, and I think that the strength of the "Don't
kill humans" rule in BtVS is necessary to convey that these
are mythic demons and that you shouldn't take away any
lesson about the correct way of dealing with human deviancy in
the real world. (Of course, this then leads to problems with politicised
readings where demons and vamps are seen as representing the real-world
socially excluded.)
The problem comes with the less talented fantasy and action writers
who portray battles between absolute Good and Evil without such
care in writing, in away that can come across very easily as conducive
to the dehumanisation of human enemies. (If I may wax controversial,
one can only take a look at Ronald Reagan's Star Wars-inspired
Evil Empire speech as an example. See also the famous "independent
contractors" discussion in Kevin Smith's film Clerks.)
Pretty much the ultimate attack on this for those of you with
strong stomachs, is a novel called The Iron Dream by Norman
Spinrad. Spinrad was an SF writer who had exactly the same moral
qualms about Good-vs.-Evil stories as you do, and was roused to
protest in particular by his revulsion for Heinlein's novel Starship
Troopers. This comes dangerously close to explicitly endorsing
genocidal warfare as a Good Thing, on the basis of (a grotesquely
oversimplified understanding of) Darwinian evolutionary theory.
The Iron Dream is presented as an SF novel written in an
alternate universe by Adolf Hitler. In this universe, Hitler fled
to the US after the failure of the Beer Hall Putsch (1923 IIRC),
gave up active politics, and became a pulp SF writer. The book
shows a stereotyped iron-willed fantasy hero taking over the only
pure-bred nation in a mutation-riddled post-Holocaust world and
launching a holy war for the future of humanity. All this is presented
with a total faith in the hero's moral righteousness, a purpleness
of prose, and a relish for explicit brutality that are only slightly
exaggerated from the type of book being parodied. The black irony
comes from the reader's realisation, at a point that will depend
on his or her historical knowledge, that the action of the book
parallels an idealised version of the rise of Nazism in Germany,
the Second World War, and the Holocaust - idealised from the Nazi
point of view! Spinrad even gives the book a "happy ending"
in which the Heldenites (his proxy for Nazi Germany) conquer the
world, exterminate all other sentient life, and launch a space
programme to conquer the stars.
One can question the morality of Spinrad's actions, and the effect
of the book on some hypothetically ignorant reader who reached
the end without "getting it", but one can't deny the
novel's power. Certainly if you read it, and if the violence and
the concept don't utterly repel you, you'll look at an awful lot
of heroic fantasy and hero mythology in a cooler and more critical
light, and with a greater understanding of its potential for misuse.
[> [> that's what I meant--and
also see Simple to Pogo, above -- luna, 14:33:38 01/13/03
Mon
Thanks, KdS, for clarifying. I shouldn't have lumped in the death
penalty and violence for kiddies--leads to too many side arguments.
The real problem I sensed with Tolkien, and not when I first read
him, and now with Buffy is exactly that. By setting up a category
of creature that can be destroyed with impunity, without trial
or consideration of each individual case, we create a pattern
for sick thinking.
In Little Bit's great summary of the evils in S4, she points out
how the Initiative didn't bother with refinements in targeting
non-humans, but just destroyed them all. Buffy doesn't always
do this--as several pointed out, there are some notable exceptions,
but still, if we see a vampire climbing out of a grave, we don't
expect Buffy to interview him about his intentions before she
whips out the stake.
[> [> [> The problems
of simplification (spoilers: All Quiet on the Western Front, CWDP,
Selfless) -- Fred the obvious pseudonym, 15:52:40 01/13/03
Mon
What Luna described is part of the problem & tragedy.
Part of all wars is violent oversimplification. The guys in the
other suits are the Enemy; you "have" to kill them not
for their nature as individuals, but because they are part of
an Other that your government (or tribal leaders, or whatever)
has designated as "bad."
This was, of course, perhaps best encapsulated in Erich Maria
Remarque's "All Quiet on the Western Front." His protagonist,
Paul, a German soldier, stumbles into a confrontation with a Frenchman.
Paul stabs him, but is compelled by danger -- artillery fire,
we don't know whether it's "his" or "theirs"
-- to remain in the shellhole with the dying French soldier. As
a result Paul determines that his "enemy" is a real
person (and not a bad guy.) In the end, he can do nothing for
him and this hapless Frenchman dies -- from the wound he suffered
at Paul's hand. And Paul grieves.
Buffy, acting as a combatant for the Powers that Be (or the Watcher's
Council -- they're not identical, although the Council may believe
so) has to face numerous "opponents". She may not have
the luxury of being able to determine if any of the vampires she
stakes are redeemable. If, say, she is fighting four freshly-awakened
vampires in the cemetary, can she say in the midst of the fray
"You three will only be evil and kill people; Number Four,
you may be like Spike and can become -- or be turned into -- a
harmless individual vampire. So I'll spare you." Time and
danger work against this. Almost by mathematics people who are
in a war -- and Buffy is -- HAVE to establish categories (not-a-target,
target) and oversimplify. Otherwise they cannot defend the innocent.
[I do not intend a facile defense of his process; of course, it
is often unjustifiable. The Nazis, for example, set up categories
for death and consciously de-humanized their victims to make the
task of killing them easier. Plenty of other examples exist where
this defining of the "other" leads to atrocity.]
You can be moral, and decent, and wind up dead if you hesitate
in combat. You may not only sacrifice yourself but other people
that you KNOW are innocent (at least not deserving of death.)
What choice do you have?
Buffy has made choices. She has decided NOT to kill some of the
identified "others" that her figures of authority want
her to kill. She has spared Angel, and Spike and Clem and others
who have given her indications that they are harmless or at least
offer possibilities for redemption. But she has had to know them
first. Even Holden "Webs" Webster (CWDP) is spared when
he starts talking. Buffy goes after Anya only after the latter
has started to kill again as a vengeance demon (Selfless.)
When she has a choice she makes a choice. Many times, however,
in this ongoing conflict in which she is immersed circumstances
preclude the option of choice. She has to balance morality with
her own needs of survival, and the needs of survival of the people
whom she is protecting. In the Buffyverse, with few exceptions,
vampires = death to innocents.
So she kills them.
While Luna may see this process as setting up a category of "creature"
that may be killed with impunity, there are, within not only the
Jossverse but other tales about vampires, these reasons for Buffy
to act in this way. If vampires did NOT kill, then the issue would
be different. I believe that there is a series of fantasy fiction
(I forget the author) that supposes that vampires come to exist
and are integrated into human society. Those that do not kill
or take blood from the unwilling have full protection under the
law; those that do are targets of hunters.
The category, "vampire = target," was not invented,
but to some degree explored, by ME. Perhaps they should do more
to make this issue murky -- but to some degree (Angel, Spike,
even Harmony) they have. Buffy has moved to the point of MOST
vampires she kills on sight; some that have given her evidence
of redeemability she has not. But the presupposition is still
"vampire = target."
An autobiography I read years ago comes to mind. The writer was
an American woman living in Japan during World War II (she married
a Japanese national.) One of her neighbors had lost a son in the
war. To the Americans who killed him he was a kamikaze pilot trying
to bring them a fiery death. To his mother he was still the happy
little boy who liked to catch butterflies. Both roles were true.
But even if the Americans on the gun crew that shot him had known
of his other role, as a mother's son, could they have done differently?
[> [> [> [> Actually,
I think Buffy helps stop simplification in real life. . .
-- Finn Mac Cool, 16:15:47 01/13/03 Mon
Some people have said that the division on Buffy between killable
and non-killable creatures is problematic, given the thinking
people take sometimes that people who are different are almost
unhuman, like the demons on Buffy.
However, I would propose a different way of looking at it. The
demons on Buffy look nothing like human beings, and, while some
act human, those aren't the ones Buffy kills. Joss Whedon also
once said that the reason they had vampires shift into a "game-face"
when they get angry or hungry is to emphasize that Buffy was slaying
inhuman monsters, not people.
I think this actually works against people simplifying the enemy
into the "killable creature" category, because in real
life nobody looks like the demons on Buffy, or the vampires (as
long as they're in their game face, and I don't think Buffy's
ever killed one who wasn't). So, when they come face to face with
someone designated as Other, they aren't as willing to kill them
because they look nothing like the image of evil creatures they've
been presented with.
The genre that could be said to have this simplification problem
is the non-fantasy action genre. Take "Die Hard" for
example. John McClane is noticeably disturbed when the terrorists/thieves
kill someone, but expresses no remorse or regret when he kills
a terrorist himself. He even uses one dead terrorist's blood to
write "Now I have a machine gun. Ho Ho Ho" on the corpse.
The terrorists, while they are fully human, are treated no better
than vampires are on Buffy. Buffy, however, is fantasy-action,
where human life is not so casually taken, and the only casual
killing is that of demonic creatures that nothing alive on earth
bears resemblance to.
[> "The Uses of Enchantment"...
-- Sofdog, 08:33:23 01/13/03 Mon
..is a wonderful book by Bruno Bettelheim that explores the various
categories of fairy stories and their importance to teaching morality
and courage.
You might find some leads there.
[> [> Re: "The Uses
of Enchantment"... -- luna, 14:36:46 01/13/03 Mon
Thanks, Sofdog, I do really like that book. I understand what
he says about dealing with children's natural and real feelings
and impulses, and I didn't really mean to get into the argument
that media violence leads to violence.
I was thinking more in political terms, about creating categories
of people who are not people. I see that I wasn't clear.
[> [> [> People who
are not people -- Rahael, 06:39:37 01/14/03 Tue
Luna, I tend to post a lot about this. In fact I think it's the
way that ME deals with this issue which lead me to love Buffy
so much, and the theme which speaks most strongly to me.
BtVS handling on this issue speaks to me on a metaphorical level,
on a practical level and on an emotional level.
Because I've talked about this so much I tend to find myself repeating
myself, so I'm trying not to do that. I'll approach it more elliptically.
What constitutes the human in the Buffyverse?
I think from the very first episode, Buffy has been 'gray' - though
I think that word is reductive. I like to say that Buffy is full
of colour. And I think it has approached it very subtely and all
the more powerfully for that. From the first, BtVS makes us ask
"what is human? what is monster?" It reverses our expections
so many times that the net effect is to question the nature of
humanity. The examination of 'evil humanity' in S6 is not a sharp
turn, but the fullest expression of a consistent and underlying
theme.
In a metaphorical sense Buffy does not concern herself with 'crimefighting',
nor with 'human wars'. She concerns herself with the explicitly
emotional terrain, as Slain has pointed out. The point about Vampires
is not that they look so different from us, but they look just
like us. Buffy never thinks "ooh, Vampire" when she
meets Angel for the first time. In fact, it is explicitly pointed
out to us that Buffy cannot 'sense' Vamps, though she does spot
one by his out of date fashion. Which also points out to us that
these are people frozen in time. Trapped. Combined with the fact
that the point ME keeps ramming home is change - in the shape
of death, of mortality, of time passing - always in ironic contrast
to these unaging Vampires. In nearly every ep, we get to see Buffy
walking in a graveyard, a graphic depiction of our most painful
truth - we, the viewers, the characters, the writers - we will
all find our end there. The Vampires are both an expression of
human wish-fulfillment, and its terrible consequences. The ultimate
lesson is that we should always face the truth, and accept the
'only end of age'.
Demonising the Other
I think I've gone into minute detail about why I do not think
that Vamps are coded as ethnic minorities, so I'll leave that
by this time.
But I wanted to talk about how people deny the humanity of their
enemy in order to kill them, which was your main point anyway.
I think there is a very big difference between 'demons' in the
Buffyverse and 'Vampires' in the Buffyverse. I think demons in
both AtS and BtVS are portrayed quite differently, and Buffy is
not a demon slayer. I'd just like to point to 'Earshot', 'A New
Man' and the whole Anya Arc post S3 and move on to the main point.
Vampires are not just former people (people who have lost their
humanity) they are dead people. And in that sense they deal with
one of the most ever constant themes of human culture - the boundaries
between death and life, and those who walk on those boundaries.
I think the the handling and importance of this issue has only
been more clearly highlighted since Season 6, but it's always
been there, since after all, Buffy has been on that threshold
since the end of Season 1, an event which we know that Joss always
planned for. The whole point about both of Buffy's deaths is that
*she came back to life*. She's completely other.
I read with much interest ZM's post about Buffy as a monster.
What I felt was: why do we call bad human beings monsters in the
Buffyverse? This idea is made absolutely meaningless by the presence
of 'monsters' like Clem - i.e, in the Buffyverse, to call someone
a 'monster' says almost nothing about their actions. To call Buffy
a human who has done a terrible wrong - doesn't this have the
hugest weight? Isn't this the most serious accusation? And don't
these two complementary ideas tell us something about how subtly
and powerfully BtVS attacks the demonisation of human enemies?
To end, I'd just go off topic to say something about real life,
and the demonisation of the enemy. In my experience the people
who do this best are the people who don't like humanity, don't
respect human life, and don't have a fundamental respect for their
fellow man. They are the people who can shrug in the face of the
inescapable evidence of the possesion of humanity in their victims.
They don't need to lie to themselves, they just don't care. I
learnt this as a child. How could an army soldier pretend that
a child of 6 was a demon, not a human? When the child cowered
and wept in front of his gun? We excuse evil by saying that it
believes that the enemy isn't human.
I have been lucky to meet people whose fundamental respect for
other human beings just shine out of them. They have moral standards,
and they do use the right to condemn injustice, but they never
lose or degrade the integrity of this notion. And it's not words,
its just this indefinable quality. More than anything else in
the world, I know that it is this quality that I must cultivate
and exercise in myself, because it's the surest defence against
the injustice and cruelty of the world, and falling into the trap
of committing great wrongs. When I meet people who possess this
- I try and keep them in my life.
I think it is this respect that BtVS tries to engender.
The most scary people I've ever come into contact with are those
who believe other human beings are expendable. They don't even
value life, to be honest. They keep banging on and on about glorious
deaths for the homeland. About how the finest achievement of any
citizen is to *die* for an empty and bloody ideal. And if you
don't share that ideal? They are very happy to thrust martyrdom
and glory on you. I'd point out that those who 'demonise' the
enemy don't care all that much for the lives of 'their own'. They
just don't care about humanity full stop.
Buffy never stops caring for humanity.
[> [> [> [> Slight
correction (and well known S6 Spoiler in above post) -- Rahael,
06:52:31 01/14/03 Tue
When I said this:
"I think from the very first episode, Buffy has been 'gray'
- though I think that word is reductive. I like to say that Buffy
is full of colour. And I think it has approached it very subtely
and all the more powerfully for that. From the first, BtVS makes
us ask "what is human? what is monster?" It reverses
our expections so many times that the net effect is to question
the nature of humanity. The examination of 'evil humanity' in
S6 is not a sharp turn, but the fullest expression of a consistent
and underlying theme."
the better word would have been to say is Buffy investigates
the nature of humanity. The end point of this investigation
is engendering respect for humanity, even in all its frailties
and faults and the terrible 'inhumane' things that we do.
[> [> [> [> [>
Beautifully said. -- Sophist, 08:34:16 01/14/03 Tue
[> [> [> [> [>
Agreeing with Sophist. Lovely post, Rahael. -- Ixchel,
12:24:08 01/14/03 Tue
[> Re: Buffy, Frodo, and
the Death Penalty -- Q, 19:17:38 01/13/03 Mon
I have always been strongly opposed to capital punishment. One
of the things I admired about Buffy from WAY far back was the
way I could take my own views away from the show.
Re-watch "I Only Have Eyes For You" to see where the
soul of the show is on the subject. I loved Xander's line when
Buffy said James should pay for killing Grace-- "With his
life?", and Buffy responds "No...".
Jump to season 6, and how Willows killing of Warren was handled.
Though several of the scoobies had a hard time not condemning
Warren to death, the consensus soon became obvious... that even
though Warren may have deserved death... It was not for them to
be the judge of something so final, and they didn't deserve to
be the ones to have to do it.
Strong messages *against* violence and Capital punishment in my
opinion.
Look over at "Angel". One of the *Central* themes is
the destroying power of vengeance. Look at what it did to Holtz.
As capital punishment is nothing but state santioned vengeance,
this fits in well too. There are MANY moral plays on the darkness
of vengeance on Angel.
My favorite part of Lord of the Rings, in in the book "The
Fellowship of the Ring". The fellowship is in the tunnels
beneath the Misty Mountains, and Frodo broaches the idea of killing
Gollum. Gandalf rebukes this idea, saying pretty much that people
are not to judge when someone else should die, regardless of what
that person has done. Every man has a destiny, and to take that
destiny prematurely could be the biggest sin of all. As we who
have read the book know, this was a HUGE conversation in the book
because of the destiny in question.
I think these are real good lessons, because they point out my
main problems with the death penalty. 1) Even though a man may
"deserve" death-- we as taxpayers do not deserve to
be made killers. 2) Who can possibly be the judge of something
so final as death? 3) If a mans destiny is to find redemption
and some sort of light after a youthful light of such evil, can
there be *any* morality in preventing him from reaching his destiny?
I love these shows because the are RIPE with gems of morality,
even when heavily buried in metaphor and symbolism.
[> [> Vengeance and Violence
-- Buffyboy, 03:11:39 01/14/03 Tue
Whatever types of violence BtVS and AtS do condone, and they clearly
do condone and even praise some forms of violence, in almost every
case vengeance is unequivocally condemned. Just this evening I
watched The Wish on my new Season3 DVDs (they just arrived yesterday
after their tour of seven states in the US en route from Nevada
to California thanks to UPS-- I'm tempted to swear eternal vengeance
on all things brown). Not only is The Wish a wonderful episode
in general but a delightful/horrifying portrayal of the unintended
consequences of vengeance. And The Wish is far from the only example
I could site: from the gypsy tribe's absolutely irrational curse
of Angel, to EvilWillow's fraying of Warren, to Holtz' centuries
long quest for vengeance against Angel, to all the in and outs
of the vengeance demon story arcs, no serious act of vengeance
has gone unexamined and its true insanity not revealed.
Yet American society itself is rife with vengeance. From gang
violence to corporate competition to capital punishment to the
idea of Hell, vengeance is often the order of the day. Look at
the murder rate in Oakland, CA over the last year and the vengeance
that has contributed so greatly to it. Look at what so many corporate
executives say and do about their competition (recall that Bill
Gates, in those internal e-mails that came out of the Microsoft
Anti-Trust trial, all but swore eternal vengeance against Netscape
and other companies that he felt where stealing Microsoft's market
share). Look at the reaction of so many to Governor Ryan's recent
commuting of the death sentences in Illinois. Governor Ryan is
seen by many as having betrayed the victim's families in their
legitimate demand for vengeance as necessary in order to bring
about "closure". Look at the idea of Hell as the ultimate
vengeance inflicted upon the wicked.
Western fiction too has often fallen under the spell of the desire
for vengeance. From the Iliad to Death Wish and its countless
imitators, vengeance as been celebrated as a heroic individual's
highest calling. Yet, there is an important alternative perspective
in Western fiction as well, the remarkable chapter on feuding
in Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn comes to mind. Both BtVS and
AtS come down hard on Twain's side. For their handling of the
violence that results from vengeance Me deserves the highest praise.
Great article
on Daniel Dae Kim (JadeMagazine.com) -- neaux, 18:14:04
01/12/03 Sun
While I'm not your typical Asian woman, I am in fact a caucasian
male married to a Korean woman. So I wont feel so out of place
recommending this website.
please read this article on Daniel!! He rules Angel! and the article
is spoiler free..
link
[> Re: Great article on
Daniel Dae Kim (JadeMagazine.com) -- JM, 18:30:33 01/12/03
Sun
Thanks, neaux. He sounds like a great guy. He's right about those
romantic comedies being a watershed mark. And some of what he
said about putting food on the table or funding the off-broadway
play tracks to what people were discussing about our Scoobs movie
roles so far not being very distinguished. I'm one of the few
who seem to enjoy Gavin and find him a good foil for Lilah. Could
two evil lawyers be more different?
[> [> And here I was
thinking I was the only person who liked Gavin! -- KdS, 02:45:35
01/13/03 Mon
Gavin's the most underrated character on Angel, but I think he'd
like it that way. His bureaucratic attack on AI in early S3 could
have really done them some damage, but Lilah sabotaged it because
it wasn't her idea and because it wasn't melodramatic enough for
her.
I think Gavin knows exactly what he's doing - he's the quietly
indispensable henchman who'll still be alive and in the Senior
Partners' good books when a hundred charismatic heads of Special
Projects have been beheaded or taken out by Champions of Good.
[> [> [> I hope you're
right... -- Masq, 09:40:03 01/13/03 Mon
"I think Gavin knows exactly what he's doing - he's the quietly
indispensable henchman who'll still be alive and in the Senior
Partners' good books when a hundred charismatic heads of Special
Projects have been beheaded or taken out by Champions of Good."
I hope you're right, because I'm wondering if the role of Gavin
isn't one of those bad-guy roles that Kim doesn't relish. I mean,
so far, Gavin has just been a schmuck, whose sole purpose seems
to be getting batted around by Lilah and Angel like a cat-toy.
I do like D.D. Kim, though, since he did a guest star appearance
on ST: Voyager as an astronaut from that planet with the speeded-up
time.
[> [> I've always been
a Gavin fan -- Vickie, 10:55:31 01/13/03 Mon
I enjoyed Kim in his AtS outings. Cool and business-oriented evil
is a nice foil for Lilah's over-the-top approach.
I loved Kim in Crusade, too. There, he played one of the first
telepaths allowed to serve in the military. Lots of pressure on
the character. Too bad the show was cancelled before there was
much development.
[> Thanks neaux -- Rufus,
22:59:25 01/12/03 Sun
It's now over on the Trollop Board as well.
[> [> very cool. Its
always good to hear about the Angel crew -- neaux, 07:02:11
01/13/03 Mon
Evolution
of Evil in the BuffyVerse from Simple Evil to Pogo, Part Four
(1 of 2) -- LittleBit (who has money on this being archived
before noon), 21:31:54 01/12/03 Sun
Evolution of Evil in the BuffyVerse from Simple Evil to Pogo,
Part Four
[Preface: to avoid misunderstanding of the terms as I am choosing
to use them, the Big Bad is the one who drives the season an the
story arc; little bads are anyone/anything else, regardless of
their degree of 'badness'.]
Season 4 evil comes from a federal government level conspiracy.
The BIG BAD
The Initiative and Adam
First there was the Initiative, an organization whose purpose
was to capture the 'bad' creatures (vampires, demons, werewolves,
and so on, also known as Hostile Sub-Terrestrials or HSTs) and
attempt to render them harmless to human society. Unfortunately,
in order to do this value judgments were not possible, there was
no allowance for the possibility that anything (not anyone)
non-human could be other than an animal, and therefore human standards
governing interaction could be discarded. Experiments of all types
were carried out with callous disregard and less regulation than
legitimate animal research is granted. The entire operation is
carried out clandestinely, underground. Not only were their prisoners
tested to help determine that which might neutralize them, but
also to see what stimuli would cause the demonic defenses to manifest
and also, and most telling, to what use humans might put these
defenses.
Unbeknownst to the vast majority of the members of the Initiative,
there were other sets of experiments being performed. These experiments
were not being conducted on the vampires, demons and monsters.
They were being performed with the special ops commandos as the
unwitting test subjects. Experiments that included supplements
to increase strength, endurance and overall performance. When
Professor Walsh was killed the schedules for their meds was thrown
off, and the guys began to undergo withdrawal. Dr. Angleman and
other scientists are aware of the issue and attempt to bring the
guys in to get them back on an even keel. Of all the operatives,
Riley has been the prime experiment, their showcase. Adam tells
him that Maggie has shaped him, formed him, taught him how to
think and feel, made his mind and body stronger. Adam is not entirely
wrong. Riley, and the rest of the special ops teams have been
carefully programmed to follow orders without questions, do their
job well and responsibly and they will be rewarded for it. Riley
remains with the Initiative until he realizes that they are every
bit as hidebound, inflexible and callous as Buffy has described
them when they are experimenting on a werewolf and it undergoes
metamorphosis into Oz, a human whom Riley knows. When he protests
at the treatment of Oz, Riley is removed from the room. When he
attempts to free Oz, Riley is taken into custody for a court martial
hearing. During the Scoobies' attempt to rescue Oz, they learn
that Riley is also a prisoner, and free him as well. This act
signifies Riley's final severance of the ties to the Initiative.
What Riley didn't know at the time was that behavior modifier
microchips were not for HSTs only - one had been implanted in
him as well. When activated he is unable to disobey an order.
During Buffy's battle with Forrest, on Adam's orders, Riley is
able to secure a piece of broken glass, and possessing just enough
free will to move in small amounts, uses it to cut the chip out
of his chest. He is then free to take on Forrest/demon/cyborg
freeing Buffy to go after Adam.
The Initiative operatives, and Riley specifically, overstate the
degree to which the chip affects Spike when he says that Hostile
17 is unable to harm any living thing. Either he overestimates
the chip's functionality, or he grossly underestimates the variety
of life that should come under the heading of 'living things.'
According to a very broad application of this definition Spike
should be unable to walk on the grass without pain; he should
be unable to attempt to kill any animals, including rats; and
he very definitely should be unable to harm other demons because
relatively few of them are dead/undead. It would be in character
for the Initiative to dismiss anything other than human life in
their definition of 'any living thing', however, and their prejudices
in this area are shown many times throughout the season. Interestingly
enough, for many of the members of the Initiative, this contempt
extends to some extent to both women and civilians who are outside
their group. This disregard costs the lives of many of the soldiers
and scientists.
The other human experiment, Adam is a kinematically redundant,
biomechanical demonoid... In addition to organic material, he's
equipped with GP-2/D-11 Infrared Detectors. A Harmonic Decelerator,
plus DC Servo. Pieced together from parts of other demons. And
man. And machine. Adam uses the data about him to learn what he
is, but being sentient he wants to know who he is as well. Adam
knows his purpose ... he was created to kill. He himself says
that he has a design flaw, and it appears that the flaw lies in
the lack of boundaries to that directive - he has accepted his
responsibility to extinguish life wherever he finds it. He is
learning about the world, learning how things work, what the flaws
are in other creatures. When reality is altered by Jonathan's
spell, Adam is undeceived by it, albeit willing to wait and study
the chaos that he believes will ensue because of the spell. He
charismatically begins to round up the demons, monsters and vampires,
uniting them as they have never been willing to unite before.
Adam recruits Spike to assist in assuring that the Slayer plays
the part he has designed for her by promising to remove the chip
from his head once he had fulfilled his part of the bargain. Adam
makes this promise in several ways, some of which leave themselves
open to interpretation: "I will restore you to what you once
were." He has killed Maggie Walsh and Dr. Angleman and reanimated
them as mindless zombies; Forrest was also killed by him, but
in his case he is turned into a demon/cyborg like Adam. In the
end, Adam orders Forrest to take Spike's head off as the method
for removing the chip because Spike had failed to deliver what
he promised: a Slayer, alone, disenfranchised from her companions,
ready to inflict maximum carnage on the demons held by the Initiative.
Buffy is indeed there, but with the Scoobies, and a plan to inflict
maximum damage, but on a single target: Adam. When Buffy seeks
him out, Adam delays her by ordering Forrest to kill her, a gleefully
accepted order. Buffy is detained until Riley frees himself and
steps in. Buffy then follows Adam, and with the assistance of
her friends and a joining of their abilities coupled with the
essence of the power of the Slayer lineage, they defeat Adam by
removing his power source.
Orders and regulations were necessary to maintain discipline within
the Initiative. Questions regarding the purpose behind the organization
were discouraged quite firmly, as was independent thinking, and
information was disseminated on a need-to-know basis only. The
Initiative had vast scientific and military resources at its disposal
but these were applied only within the framework of its objectives.
The Initiative ultimately failed because it's own structure prevented
growth, did not allow for the possibility that there was more
to the project than the military portion knew, prevented the flexibility
needed to deal with its own mistakes (Adam) and it was destroyed
by those mistakes.
VAMPIRE
Sunday & the campus vamps bring an old story to a new setting.
They have been preying on college students, generally new Freshmen,
for quite some time. Sunday has, as is expected, her minions who
are more entertaining than some but still pretty much not the
best and brightest. Sunday does achieve, for a short while, something
that few other vampires have accomplished: she has the Slayer
off-balance and slightly afraid of her. Most of this, however
is due to Buffy apprehension about all the changes in her life,
and the emotional upheaval that comes with it. This is one of
the first times when we are shown that Buffy's Slayer abilities
and skills are affected by her emotional state - when Buffy feels
unsure and defeated her fighting skills seem to be less effective
as well. Once Buffy is emotionally ready to deal with all of it
she eliminates the nest fairly quickly. Buffy does have two individuals
to thank for this. First ... Xander, who lets Buffy know that
she is still the competent Slayer, the hero as it were. And secondly,
Sunday herself, who makes the mistake of getting Buffy angry;
and anger always boosts her strength and determination.
Spike (aka 'Hostile 17) returns to Sunnydale with the intention
of ridding the world of the current Slayer. He is instead almost
immediately captured by the Initiative who use him for their experiments.
In particular, they implant a chip in his head that gives him
blinding pain whenever he attempts to harm a human. As a result
of the chip, Spike finds himself starving, and appeals to a most
unexpected source for assistance - the Slayer herself. Buffy very
reluctantly assists him, only because he says he has information
about the Initiative. They become very strange allies, with Spike's
greatest frustration being that he cannot to convince the Scoobies
that he is still evil; and the Scoobies keep forgetting that his
assistance is quite conditional. His happiest moment seemed to
come when he realized that he was not completely helpless, that
he could indeed hurt other demons without the resultant pain.
At that point he helped the Scoobies with great enthusiasm, just
for the fun and exhilaration of the fight. Spike teams up with
Adam, the demon/cyborg to help him kill the Slayer, but in the
very end Spike assists the Slayer, primarily because he sees that
the Slayer and the Scoobies are the winning side. We see that
Spike, for all his talk, is actually a very social creature in
that he feels the need to 'belong' somewhere. He was a member
of the Fanged Four before Angel's re-souling broke the group apart,
and then as long as he had Dru, or even Harmony, he had the interpersonal
contact he craved. With the chip, he found himself excluded from
the society of other vampires, and of course looked down upon
by other demons. He then attached himself to the Scooby Gang,
whether they liked it or not, at times using the antagonism as
a means to assure that he would not be ignored by them.
We learn what happened to Harmony during the fight at Graduation.
We had last seen her being bitten, and now find out that she was
indeed turned. As vampires go she provides a greater degree of
comic relief than any others we've seen so far. She remains just
as shallow, just as whiny and sulky, just as much a pain as she
was when she was alive. We do learn, to our collective amazement,
that she is Spike's girlfriend. We also see that one other thing
hasn't changed much - Harmony will take a great deal of abuse
in order to maintain a false sense of self esteem. In high school,
she was ecstatic to find out that a really cool guy was thinking
of asking her to the prom if the other girls on his list ahead
of her weren't available. With Spike she is clearly not his priority,
but goes along with his moods as though it is all she deserves.
Harmony is the catalyst for one of the high comic moments of the
season, when she and Xander argue and it degenerates into a slappy
/ hair-pulling, very girly type of fight. It is never quite clear
why Buffy never staked Harmony. This is a case of Harmony à
vampire, Buffy à Slayer; her duty is clear, but Buffy never
seems to be able to take Harmony seriously enough to see her as
a menace. Why is inexplicable: if the very fact that Harmony is
a healthy, well-fed vampire who is not very likely buying pig's
blood from the butcher wasn't enough, then it should have become
obvious when she kidnapped and held Dawn hostage, and lost control
of her minions who were just about to feed on Dawn when Buffy
rescued her.
The Boone and the boys are vampires recruited by Adam.
They are swayed by Adam's arguments that they live in fear of
death, in fear of light, in fear of god. They willingly take on
the role of Adam's heralds. They face that fear by publicly and
in the daytime confronting and confining a church congregation
during the Sunday service. What they didn't take into account
was that while, yes, they did indeed fear those things on a psychological
basis, they also feared the Slayer on a very physical basis. When
they put their fears aside, they put all their fears aside,
believing that the empowerment Adam made them feel gave them the
strength to win over her. It didn't, however, give him the ability
to face two Slayers. What Boone and his companions showed Adam
was that it was possible for him to dominate and command the vampires.
And that his plan to unite the demons needed to also include the
Slayer.
DEMONS
Buffy's first roommate, Kathy initially seems to be simply
the 'roommate from hell' that one always seems to know about.
Kathy is perky and very organized, immediately setting out the
rules for the room, and decorating with choices that show her
to be very mainstream in her likes, not the sort of person who
would have spent evenings at a club like the Bronze listening
to local bands, but would have all the top ten albums from the
pop music list. Kathy also expected that by being roommates, she
and Buffy would be automatic 'best friends,' hanging out together
and such. Buffy, on the other hand, took an instant dislike to
her perky and impervious roommate, visibly showing her reluctance
to hang around, or share her friends in any way. It doesn't help
when Kathy attaches herself during Buffy's patrol and then blames
Buffy for making a mess of her clothes. They both get extremely
territorial and adversarial, deliberately doing things for no
other reason than to get on the other's nerves. Everyone thinks
that Buffy is simply overreacting to having to share her living
space for the first time, and go so far as to decide she's dangerous
to Kathy, which results in her being ambushed by Giles, Xander
and Oz, and tied up so she can come to her senses. Meanwhile,
Giles did at least listen to Buffy's "proof" and confirms
that Kathy's toenail clippings are still growing, which means
that Buffy is right, and Kathy is a demon, a Mok'tagar Demon as
it turns out who was performing a ritual to steal Buffy's soul.
She has runaway from her dimension and taken on a human guise
because she wants to go to college. Unfortunately, she ended up
with the one roommate who could bust her, even as she was stealing
the soul so that Buffy would have been mistaken for her when her
people came after her, except that Giles performed the reversing
ritual just in time, and it's Kathy who is taken home. Buffy is
then free to room with Willow (who did have the legendary 'roommate
from hell).
Tapparich is Kathy's Mok'tagar Demon daddy, who comes to
take her home once his henchmen have located her. He's interesting
in that he's shown to be a very cliché father, demon or
no, who isn't willing to listen to his daughter (even though she's
3000 already) because he simply knows best.
Gachnar is inadvertently called when a serendipitous series
of events happen to complete the ritual invocation. He has great
power over humans, using their fears to control them. We are given
an insight into the fears of each of the Scoobies. Xander fears
that he is invisible to the group, and to Buffy in specific. Willow
fears that Buffy is dismissive of her suggestions and doesn't
respect her growing power as a witch, and also is more distressed
when Oz leaves her alone for her own safety. Oz fears that he
will lose any control over the werewolf part of himself becoming
a menace to those he cares about. Gachnar feeds Buffy's fear of
abandonment, that every time she cares she'll be deserted. And,
od course, Anya reveals her fear of bunnies without the assistance
of Gachnar. When Gachnar is finally released and manifests, he
is seen to be an itty-bitty Fear Demon, about six inches tall,
and his power over them is broken by his own insignificance. It
is interesting in retrospect to look at each of their fears. Xander
feared that he was nothing to them, and yet he has always retained
his position in the group. Oz feared that he would lose control
of the werewolf within, and yet he was able to prevent his fear
from fully manifesting that night, and also eventually gained
the ability to control the emergence of the werewolf during the
full moon. However, the second part of his fear turned out to
be entirely justified - even when he had learned control over
the wolf, he could lose it when it came to those he cared about.
Willow feared that Buffy didn't respect her abilities as a leader
or as a witch. As it turned out, Willow was the one who failed
to give her abilities the respect they deserved. Her fears about
Oz abandoning her however, were realized sooner than anyone thought
they might be. Buffy's fears that she would be deserted by those
she cared about were justified ... with her father's absence and
Angel leaving for her own good, and even Parker's smarminess,
it did begin to seem that if she allowed herself to care her reward
would be heartache.
D'Hoffryn gave us a glimpse into an area of demonic activity
that we were first shown when Anya attempted to get her vengeance
demon status back. D'Hoffryn appears this season to recruit Willow
for that very purpose after she shows her talent for creating
mayhem in the name of vengeance, even though she doesn't realize
she's doing it. When she refuses and insists on being sent back
to fix things, he gives her his talisman with instructions to
use it should she ever change her mind. With D'Hoffryn we see
the recruiting of humans to become a specific type of demon, who
then preys on human frailties.
The Vahral Demons were initially encountered by Buffy and
then Riley who lets it get away but sets the Initiative guys after
it. Apparently these demons were ones who inspired those who wrote
about them to wax poetic, for the descriptions that the Scoobies
find in their research are "Slick like gold and gird in moonlight,
father of portents and brother to blight" and "Limbs
with talons, eyes like knives, bane to the blameless, thief of
lives." They were found digging up the bones of a child,
which is a part of a ritual that uses the blood of a man, the
bones of a child and the Word of Valios, in the sacrifice of three.
They go looking for the Word while Giles continues researching.
As he learns what the Word is he is attacked by the three demons,
and the Word, which is a talisman that was in Giles unsuspecting
possession, is taken completing the items needed for the ritual.
Giles also learned that the purpose of the ritual was to open
the Hellmouth. During the fight at the Hellmouth it is Xander
who realizes that the demons themselves are the sacrifice, and
Spike who finds he can hit the demons without pain. As Xander
and Willow are escaping with Spike Riley comes in and shows he
is well-trained to follow commands, immediately following Buffy's
instruction to keep the final demon from sacrificing itself. Unfortunately
a distraction allows the demon to jump in, but Buffy follows after
Riley attaches a lifeline to her so he can be certain she comes
back out. Buffy is able to drag the final demon out, preventing
the completion of the ritual. We never do learn anything more
about them than the few lines quoted during the research, and
have to assume that the opening of the Hellmouth was done for
the benefit of the Vahrals themselves, for the three to give themselves
as willing sacrifices.
Giles was turned into a Fyarl Demon by one of our favorite
agents of chaos, Ethan Rayne. While Giles had the outer aspect
of the demon, he was initially 100% Giles on the inside. He goes
to Xander for assistance first, but Xander is unable to understand
him. As Giles wanders around trying to decide what to do, he runs
into Spike, who happens to speak Fyarl and is able to understand
him. Spike agrees to help him for an appropriate sum of money,
and is also able to give Giles information about the type of demon
he is. A sort of demon soldier, very strong and has a paralyzing
mucous. He also finds that the demon instincts are very simple
- crush, kill. Giles is able to override these instincts, but
does give in to one Ripper moment when he gets out of the car
solely to frighten and chase Professor Walsh, which he does quite
satisfactorily. Giles is very nearly fully in Fyarl mode when
he confronts Ethan and tries to kill him. He might even have been
successful if Buffy hadn't intervened. Buffy fights with Giles
and is ready to kill the demon when she realizes that it's Giles
from the look in his eyes. We don't see how Giles is restored,
but the implication is that Ethan is forced to reverse the spell.
The Polgara Demon is sought by the Initiative and they
are briefed on it's appearance and their orders: it has bone skewers
that protrude from its forearms in battle and they are not to
damage it's arms. Because the Initiative does not believe it has
ant relevance, all of the usual questions that the Scoobies research
about motive and style are ignored. It is successfully captured,
intact, and we learn that there is an experiment in which the
forearm is being grafted onto Adam, their creation. While the
demon itself was not difficult for them to subdue, nor was it
significant except for the harvest of it's arm, the incident did
serve to make Maggie Walsh even more suspicious of Buffy and the
questions she insisted on continuing to ask.
MONSTERS
The Gentlemen and their ghouls were two parts of one of the
creepiest groups of villains the Scoobies have faced. The Gentlemen
are monsters from a fairy tale who first steal everyone's voices
and then cut out the hearts from seven of them. They seem to be
selective in the hearts they choose, passing several by before
settling on one. The Gentlemen work in pairs, encouraging and
congratulating one another with their ghoulish unchanging smiles.
Part of their eeriness is due to that unchanging set smile in
their cadaverous faces and the seeming implacability of their
purpose. They waste no motion, floating smoothly to their destinations.
In contrast, their lackeys are misshapen and straitjacketed, lurching
along, with apparently no independent thought and great strength.
They are presented as a mute parody of the cretinous minion from
clas sic horror. It is their duty to secure the victims and hold
them while the Gentlemen cut the beating heart out of the conscious
victim. Only the sound of a human scream can defeat them - they
are unable to handle noise, and the sound of a human scream will
destroy them. [Although one does wonder what affect Slim Whitman
amplified would have on them]. Buffy is able, with Riley's help,
to regain her voice and destroy the menace of the Gentlemen and
their goons. During the time while everyone was mute, they were
forced to find alternate methods for communication, and it was
interesting to observe that all of the extended Scoobies were
able to cope by signs and body language with one notable exception.
As Xander said in Fear Itself, "That's the funny thing
about me, I tend to hear the actual words people say and accept
them at face value." We see just how literally he meant that
- Xander is almost incapable of interpreting body language and
expressions, and quite often even obvious actions. Willow and
Buffy quickly realize that both of them are affected, Spike realizes
it almost immediately, but Xander doesn't get it until after the
phone call from Buffy, when he realizes no one is talking. He
is the one who misinterprets everything during Giles' presentation.
He attacks Spike based on a single image without looking at the
whole situation. (Of course, this makes Anya happy, and she makes
a suggestion using the one gesture Xander understands on the first
try). It was also interesting to note how people were shown to
respond to the phenomenon, some coping, some taking advantage,
some crying in distress, others becoming quite belligerent. The
two groups that were shown attempting to either defuse or resolve
the situation were the Scoobies and the Initiative. One other
rather interesting aspect of the muteness was the degree to which
everyone seemed to act as though deafness was also a part of it.
Why didn't the Initiative operatives have a code they could tap,
even something simple, like an idea code and a quadrant code so
they could summon the others to help? Relationships seemed to
develop clarity during this time as well: Riley and Buffy finally
show they do care; Anya learns Xander cares enough to beat up
Spike because he thought Spike had hurt her; Willow and Tara meet
and join their abilities to keep each other safe. Even Giles and
Olivia's relationship moves to another level as Olivia learns
that these are the sorts of things Giles deals with routinely.
There was only one question that seemed to remain at the end -
what would have happened if the Gentlemen had been successful
in getting the seven hearts? What was their goal?
Jonathon's gift-with-purchase was created when Jonathan
cast the spell to alter the BuffyVerse and become the best of
the best as the balancing force, or the worst of the worst. The
monster was inextricably tied to the augmentation spell so that
destroying it would break the spell. Once Buffy began suspecting
that things were not as they seemed, it rapidly led to the demise
of the monster, and thus of the spell.
The zombies created by Adam from the Initiative personnel
he killed were used by him to assist in the creation of more demon/cyborgs
like himself. The two we were shown working for him were Maggie
Walsh and Dr. Angleman, the two who knew the most about how the
experiments were conducted, and therefore the ones most qualified
to assist in the creation of new ones. It is ironic that the demon-cyborg
they had built and intended to use as a tool had now reanimated
them and was using them as his tools. They were successful with
Adam beyond their wildest dreams, and their very inability to
dream that wildly now confined their mindless bodies to the performance
of basic maintenance functions on the other demon-cyborgs that
Adam was creating and improving upon.
POSSESSION
Lowell House is the house the Initiative uses for its operatives,
and the underground operations center. It seems that the increased
sexual activity of Riley and Buffy awakened the suppressed spiritual
energy of the children and adolescents who had lived there when
it was a children's home. At first the manifestation is of thermal,
beginning with a draining of the heat in the house and finally
bursting into bonfire level flames from the fireplace, injuring
one of the Initiative commandos. They are able to affect Buffy
and Riley to the point where their whole concentration continually
turns to sex, and eventually forcing them into a continual cycle
that will end only when they are completed drained of energy.
Then they die. As they consume the energy that that Riley and
Buffy generate, more and more of those in the house are effected.
The very walls are suffused by the sexual energy. Various persons
are individually affected, acting out the horrid retributions
that were inflicted on the children for nothing more than having
normal thoughts and wanting to find out more about the changes
they were going through. It is Xander, and also notably Anya,
who save them. They return to the house while Giles, Willow and
Tara distract the apparitions by attempting to convinced them
to stop. The children didn't take kindly to the suggestion that
they just get over it. The house attempts to drown Xander, who
is saved by a very determined Anya, and together they manage to
get to, and open, the door to Riley's room, which breaks the hold
the childish spirits had on Buffy and Riley. At first it seems
strange that this particular phenomenon had never manifested before,
but when considering the two major players, perhaps it isn't so
odd after all. Buffy and Riley present a very unique couple from
this standpoint, not that they had a greater desire for one another
than other couples had, but that both of them had stamina far
beyond the norm. Riley is the prime human experiment of the Initiative
and its enhancements program, and as for Buffy, as Parker so indelicately
put it, "the word is stamina." So they may have been
the first that could generate the energy necessary to awaken the
repressed spirits.
ALTERED REALITY
The JonathanVerse was as impressive an alternate reality as
the WishVerse had been, the difference being that the Jverse was
an altered reality. It was a spell placed on the BuffyVerse
reality. One of the more intriguing aspects of the Jverse is that
Jonathan chose to be a hero, to be acclaimed for his positive
contributions to life and happiness. Of course, nothing is ever
that simple, and the Jverse was no different. The positive was
countered by the negative, a monster who embodied all the negative
aspects, the worst nightmares. The destruction of the monster,
who was menacing people also meant the destruction of the spell
and of the Jverse altered reality. Another difference of the altered
reality from an alternate reality is that the inhabitants of the
Jverse remained aware of what had been done, at least for a while.
SPIRIT AVENGERS
Hus is a Chumash Spirit-Warrior, manifested after the old
mission was opened during the ground-breaking ceremony for a new
cultural center. He materialized from a Chumash knife, and killed
the professor who was in charge of the cultural center. Because
it was Xander who fell through and opened the mission, he was
cursed with syhphilis, a disease unknown to Native Americans until
the Europeans brought it to them. He then goes after Father Gabriel
at the church, whose family dates back to mission times, and Buffy
finds him as he is cutting Father Gabriel's throat after hanging
him. Hus is recreating the wrongs visited upon his people by the
settlers who massacred his people. To aid him Hus summons the
First People of Mishuipashup (ancestral spirits) and the
Nunashush creatures of the night. They manifest as Chumash
warriors as well. They seek out the strongest warrior, Buffy,
and begin their attack. Through the combination of the Slayer,
the Scoobies and Angel, Hus and his raiding party are vanquished.
A unique aspect of this opponent is that he is not a demon, but
a vengeful spirit, created by those who wronged his people and,
ironically, released during the excavation of a cultural partnership
center, to celebrate the contributions made by all cultures, including
those who are no longer active parts of American culture because
they were obliterated in the creating of America as a country.
There is, however, one burning question that this episode raises
that has nothing really to do with Hus or the Chumash: Who is
Aunt Darlene?
CURSES
The Cave-men were the result of a curse placed on a favorite
brand of draft beer at one of the campus area bar. The students
who were targeted by this temporary curse were the ones who were
viewed by the bar owner as coming in with their snotty attitudes
and deserving to become the Neanderthals they seemed to think
others were. Unfortunately, the beer was also shared by Buffy,
which put a Neanderthal Slayer on the streets. When the cave-men
went out, they generally looked to fulfill basic needs ... food
and women. As it happend, though, they did not have any clue about
even basic precautions and eventually caused a fire to break out
where Willow was. Luckily, even though she was a cave-girl, Buffy's
Slayer instincts remained strong as did her friend instincts and
she was able to prevent people from dying. One of the interesting
aspects of the caved-men was that for all the college level intellectual
conversation, at the base they were the same as all others - seeking
food, shelter and a way to reproduce. It was their intellect that
set them apart and their attitude about their intellect that made
them a target.
to be continued...
[liberal use of Psyche's transcripts for details]
[> Evolution of Evil in
the BuffyVerse from Simple Evil to Pogo, Part Four (2 of 2)
-- LittleBit, 21:35:52 01/12/03 Sun
Evolution of Evil in the BuffyVerse from Simple Evil to Pogo,
Part Four --- continued
HUMANS
Parker Abrams is a guy who trades on his good looks and charm
to convince whatever woman attracts him at the moment to sleep
with him. He brings this considerable arsenal to bear on Buffy,
who is taken in by it and succumbs, even initiates the romantic
encounter, only to find come morning that Parker had no interest
beyond the chase and catch. Parker is also known among the guys
for both his 'prowess' and his bragging, as well as his willingness
to share the details. Willow described him quite accurately and
succinctly: "poophead."
Jack the pub owner felt justified in exacting a petty revenge
against random college students because for years he felt condescended
to with their intellectual attitudes. He has a brother-in-law
who's a warlock and gave him the spell to use. Unfortunately,
there is no way to control who is served the tainted beer, and
so Buffy gets a share of it as well, when she is in a mood that
allows her to get drunk. Jack is one the most irresponsible little
bads the Scoobies have faced up to now. He seemed to believe that
his responsibility regarding the spell ended with the knowledge
that it would "wear off in a few days." In that time
immeasurable damage could have been caused, and was to the lounge
area; it was only due to the fact that the Slayer instincts seemed
to still be functioning that there weren't several deaths that
first night. If Buffy hadn't been able to figure a way out, the
cavemen boys, the girls they abducted, Parker and Willow would
all have perished in the fire. And Jack would never have seen
the connection. His pettiness, short-sightedness and, well, lack
of common sense actually make the college boys who condescended
to him as being too stupid to do anything more demanding than
serve beer to them right about him.
Veruca is first seen when she and Oz pass one another and
each seems to sense the presence of the other, turning to glance
at one another. They meet and connect, seemingly over music as
a shared passion. Veruca is mildly mocking of Willow but not obviously
so. We then see Veruca is in werewolf shape. She and Oz attack
one another, the implication when they wake the following morning
that more than just an attack happened. Veruca is quite comfortable
with the situation, but Oz is clearly disturbed by it. Veruca
tells him he should let that part of his nature run free. Her
demeanor is very seductive, quite predatory and very on-the-prowl-ish.
Oz, however, is very uncomfortable when he sees Willow later,
who comes by hinting about getting cozy; he finds he can't be
close right now. Veruca finds Oz as he's locking himself into
his cage, and tries to convince him to come out with her, let
the animal out, enjoy it. Oz refuses and pulls Veruca into the
cage with him. Willow finds them entwined, naked, in the morning
when she comes by to find Oz. Oz attempts an explanation, but
Veruca's suggestive manner only makes things worse. Veruca then
seeks out Willow and finds her alone, and threatens her, but before
she can do anything, Oz gets there and challenges her. Veruca
and Oz both wolf out and attack each other, ending with Oz tearing
her throat out. Oz then starts after Willow but is stopped by
Buffy. Veruca shows us clearly what the full acceptance of the
wolf inside means, and lets us understand more of the conflict
that Oz feels with a part of his nature that manifests only three
nights a month, and his determination that he never give those
impulses free rein. In the end, it is Veruca's assertion and his
own attempted attack on Willow that convinces Oz that in some
ways Veruca is right, that the wolf is always there. She is the
catalyst for Oz's decision to leave until he can fins a way to
be certain that he controls the wolf and the wolf does not control
him the way it controlled her.
Willow uses her power as a witch for the first time in
a completely selfish manner, giving us a glimpse into just how
far she considers going in the name of vengeance when she's feeling
hurt, and also how recklessly she is willing to use magic. She
begins and very nearly completes a spell to curse Oz and Veruca,
to break their hearts, to assure that they will have no love,
no solace, no peace, only hate. She waivers at the last moment
and stops the spell. Which may be more to the good than she knew
... with the wording of the spell, their hearts may well have
been 'broken' in a much more literal manner than she had intended.
After Oz leaves town, Willow wants to make her heartache stop
hurting so she performs the 'my will be done' spell but is disappointed
when her first requests are not granted. The actual results of
the spell range from the amusing and absurd to downright dangerous
and life-threatening; all of them things Willow 'wills' inadvertently.
Giles comes by the next morning to find out what happened to her,
and when she gets upset that he is not being as sympathetic to
her situation as she thinks he should be, she causes him to go
blind merely by saying he doesn't se anything. When she is telling
Buffy her frustration with her magic ability an offhand reference
changes Amy into human form, and an equally offhand comment turns
her immediately back. Later, after Buffy has had to leave to find
Spike, Willow is expressing her anger that Buffy left, and says
sarcastically that Buffy will probably find him just standing
there, and to the great surprise of both Buffy and Spike, she
does. When Xander tries to defend Buffy's duties and priorities,
Willow takes it personally, and in saying Spike is more important
than she is, also says Buffy should just marry him ... resulting
in a sudden proposal and acceptance. When Xander tries to tell
her things will get better she turns on him, listing a few of
his relationships and labeling him a demon-magnet. Willow has
no idea any of this is occurring. But that final willing very
nearly costs her all of her friends, for Xander does indeed become
a demon magnet, and no matter how many they kill or take out,
more and more just keep coming. When they look for Willow she
has been abducted by d'Hoffryn, who offers her a position as a
vengeance demon. Anya realizes what has happened and attempts
to call d'Hoffryn but is rattled by the fact that while she is
making the attempt, they are all beset by more and more demons.
It is d'Hoffryn who opens Willow's eyes to the chaos she has created
for her friends, and she immediately wants to make it stop. d'Hoffryn
allows her to leave and she appears in the crypt where they are
and cancels the spell. While Willow learned that she had great
power and that her spell had not gone awry, neither she nor any
of the others seem to realize that the spell only worked when
there was strong emotion behind the command. And, at least in
this spell, emotions generally classified in the 'negative' category:
frustration, anger, irritation, annoyance. It also seems that
no one noticed that the spells she did cast on them were not of
a trivial nature ... if it had been intentional, there would have
been a great deal of malice behind it. As it was, there was just
petulance, and no real intent to harm, which in a way should have
thrown up more red flags than if there had been intent. If she
could do this much damage unintentionally, what could she do if
she wanted to. This is one reason why she was very fortunate she
aborted the spell against Oz and Veruca - she would have been
devastated if she had caused them to die when their hearts broke.
Willow showed herself as being capable of self-absorption to the
extent of wanting everyone else around her to wallow with her
in her self-pity. She also showed the level of magic she was capable
of producing when emotion was driving her, as well as the extent
to which she might go for revenge. One does wonder though - what
would have happened if Joyce had died while this spell was in
effect and Willow's reaction had been to say, "No! She can't
be dead!"?
Jonathan has been on the edges of the gang for years now.
He has been a source of amusement and of pity. Jonathan was allowed
once to wait on Cordelia at the Bronze, after she was kidnapped
by the frat guys, and was the butt of the joke by Harmony after
Cordelia and Xander spilt up. He was at Buffy's 'welcome back'
[from rehab?] party. He was in her law enforcement group during
career week - which was rather surprising actually. Jonathan came
front and center when he attempted to kill himself and was mistaken
for the person who was going to murder the students. Although,
how he was planning to commit suicide with a rifle is somewhat
less clear. Then again, Jonathan was never the planner. Jonathan
is selected to present Buffy with the Class Protector Award at
the prom, which he does with great pride, and which he attends
with a very attractive date. But all of the moments Jonathan has
shared with the Scoobies have been merely peripheral, with no
true connections happening. When we see him this season, Buffy
had already exhibited a reluctance to take on a mere five vamps
with Willow, Xander and Anya to help and they go for help, and
lo and behold the help is Jonathan. Which comes as a surprise.
Jonathan is clearly perceived by Buffy and all the Scoobies as
well as Giles [Rupert] to be the go-to guy when things get rough.
He handily defeats Giles at chess, he exterminates the next of
vampires with ease ... and is met by a gaggle of photographers
afterward. Jonathan offers advice to both Buffy and Riley regarding
their relationship problems. He's approached regularly with autograph
seekers. The Initiative commander, Colonel George, brings in a
tactical consultant to help them work out the plan for finding
and stopping Adam. Jonathan. Who also, by studying Adam's design
schematics informs them that Adam's power is a small reservoir
of U-235, which now means that Adam will 'live' forever unless
the power source is destroyed. Jonathan is a surprise singer at
the Bronze, mesmerizing the crowd with a ballad (which also gets
Buffy and Riley back in each other's arms when they dance), then
electrifying them by beginning to sing his newest song for them.
He is interrupted by one of his groupies who was hanging around
outside his mansion hoping for a glimpse of him when she was attacked
by a monster with a mark on its head. Jonathan is noticeably shaken
by this for a moment, and then brushes it off, telling Buffy not
to worry about it. However, Jonathan does worry about it. As Buffy
gets closer and closer to the truth, Jonathan does admit that
the monster and he are connected, and that is why he had the mark
tattooed on his back. When Buffy suggests going after it with
him, he reluctantly agrees. While they are searching, the Scoobies
do research and learn that the mark is an augmentation spell,
and that the monster is a result of the spell, the opposite force
of evil, and that if the monster is destroyed, the spell will
be cancelled. To Jonathan's credit, while he doesn't help Buffy
in confronting the monster, he also doesn't hinder her. And when
it looks like the monster is going to kill Buffy, Jonathan intervenes
and pushes it into the bottomless pit, nearly going with it; only
Buffy grabbing his ankle saves him. The whole of Sunnydale is
then seen reverting back to reality; a reality in which Jonathan
is just an insignificant person who is always on the sidelines.
And once again, this is where they leave him. Jonathan showed
that he wants very much to have recognition and accolades - but
is this what he truly wanted? Or did he want to belong somewhere
... somewhere he could contribute and make a difference. Jonathan,
through his spell, gained the acceptance of the 'world' but more
specifically of the Scooby Gang, and acceptance he wanted very
badly. By being an integral and important part of the group, he
was able to contribute to their efforts, rather than be shut out
of them. Given the power that he had to be able to use to successfully
perform a spell of that magnitude, it is telling that he chose
to use a spell that would make him a hero.
Genevieve Holt was a woman who did great evil and harm
in the name of righteousness. She was very proud of what she had
done, and the medal she was given saying how good she was with
the children. The disadvantaged children: runaways, juvenile delinquents
and the emotionally disturbed. She punished them for vanity, for
having 'impure' thoughts or deeds. She truly believed she was
'saving' them from sin, helping them to gain admittance to the
kingdom, cleansing them of their lust. What she achieved instead
was physical and emotional abuse of adolescents who were already
identified as a risk group; and the residual of a malevolent spirit
that fed on sexual energy and very nearly killed Riley and Buffy
in their need to feed. In some ways, Mrs. Holt is the worst kind
of human villain, one who firmly believes that her actions are
necessary in order to save the souls of others, who believes that
the crimes of vanity and lust (normal adolescent feelings) require
extreme measures to assure that they will not be repeated. And
who is proud of herself for doing it. She was also a difficult
villain for the Scoobies because, other than stopping the current
manifestation of the adolescent poltergeist, there is nothing
they could do about the damage Mrs. Holt had inflicted on those
children all those years ago ... the adults they would have grown
into would be in their mid-50's to mid-60's, and well past any
real intervention. The one consolation was that Mrs. Holt was
no longer in a postion to inflict her views on defenseless children.
Maggie Walsh. An acclaimed psychologist with a specialty
in operant conditioning. Also 'The Evil Bitch Monster of Death.'
Professor Walsh had two significant functions. First she was an
influential instructor who was very tough but fair in that rules
were adhered to and not administered on an individual basis. As
a psychology professor, she was quite good, encouraging without
favoritism. One small surprise is that a professor of her stature
in the psychology community was teaching introductory psych, but
perhaps that was more a reflection of the size of the UC/Sunnydale
faculty that anything else, but it would have been more likely
that she would be teaching at the upperclassman and graduate levels.
Second and more significant though, Maggie Walsh was in charge
of the Initiative, a [seeming] government and military sponsored
group that researched demons, vampires and other monsters. In
some ways, it seems as though the Initiative may have been partly
her brain-child - she seems to be the guiding force behind much
of the experimentation and technology that is used by the group.
Because the Initiative is composed of both scientific and military
personnel, there are widely varying degrees of autonomy within
the group - and Maggie Walsh has the greatest amount. She is very
determined that nothing undermine the group's goals, and that
ultimately puts her at odds with Buffy and the Scoobies in ways
she doesn't even realize. When Riley brings Buffy into the group,
she welcomes her outwardly, but seems to harbor inner doubts about
having her on the team. When she interviews Buffy she is politely
condescending about the methods of the Slayer when contrasted
to the technology of the Initiative, and is likely not pleased
to learn of the efficacy of a 'pointed stick' when wielded by
Buffy. Maggie has also been involved in experimentation far beyond
that of trying to learn how demons function, and thus how to neutralize
them, and possibly use them. She has been experimenting on the
special operatives themselves, without their knowledge, to enhance
their performance in the field. She has also been working with
Dr. Angelman to construct a demon-human-techno hybrid, or a demon-cyborg.
Maggie uses others in her research with little regard for their
individuality, not making much of a distinction between using
the 'animals' and using the humans. Unfortunately for her, the
first and foremost of those humans, Adam, has been a much more
successful project than she ever imagined - he is sentient, has
all of the technology at his fingertips (and can understand it),
and he knows his purpose: to kill. And he does. Starting with
Maggie herself - "Mommy."
Forrest Gates is one of the Initiative operatives who poses
as a student at the college and one of Riley's best friends. He
and Riley went through training together, and Forrest is Riley's
second-in-command. Forrest is the one who first notices Buffy,
while Riley seems oblivious to her. It is Forrest who questions
Parker about Buffy, which forces Riley to the realization that
he likes her. It is also Forrest who cautions Riley about Buffy,
that he can't share with her who and what he is. When Riley begins
to take a greater interest in Buffy, Forrest reacts almost with
jealousy. He doesn't want to hear Riley talk about her, tries
to change the subject when Riley brings her up. When Riley brings
Buffy into the initiative, Forrest is not very welcoming. He resents
Buffy's abilities and is actually angry when she is tested and
bests them all easily. Forrest is disgruntled when Riley makes
Buffy his second on patrol, even though he assigned Forrest as
a team leader - a step up. His conversations with her are generally
brief, and somewhat acidic. When Professor Walsh is killed, Forrest
immediately assumes it was Buffy who did it, not changing that
opinion even when a demon with a bio-weapon that is a skewer is
known to have escaped. He is resentful of the time Riley and Buffy
spend together, nearly contemptuous of the fact that they are
sleeping together. His dislike of her is nearly irrational, with
very little fact and a great deal of emotion driving it. Ultimately,
they face one another while they are independently searching for
Adam, which gives Adam an advantage, and he kills Forrest. Or
so we think, until Adam captures Riley and we learn that he has
done the same thing to Forrest that Professor Walsh and Dr. Angleman
did to him - turned him into a demon-cyborg. Forrest is now helping
Adam to do this to Riley. When Buffy arrives to rescue Riley,
Adam orders Forrest to kill her, an order he gladly follows. He
successfully delays Buffy, and they seem evenly matched, but Riley
manages to free himself and takes over for her. This fight, between
Forrest and Riley, has been a long time coming. Finally, Forrest
will learn, in a fight in which no holds are barred, which of
them is the superior - and Forrest knows he's been enhanced by
Adam. But Forrest hasn't the creative edge, he tends to go straight
in, while Riley uses everything he has available around him, which
in combination proves fatal for Forrest. Forrest is mostly peripheral
to the Buffy and Riley relationship, but he provides a constant
disapproving force that casts a shadow over him. From the start
he did not see Buffy as an individual, a person in her own right.
When he first noticed her it was in terms of her being mattressable.
He did not like knowing that she was more capable than
a team of Initiative special operatives. When Buffy took Riley's
time and attention away, and also showed herself to be a partner
in every sense of the word, Forrest was not able to cope with
that change, or to adjust his perception of the opposite sex to
allow for it.
Dr. Angleman is the lead physician on the Initiative team.
He is the one who works most closely with Maggie Walsh. It is
Dr. Angleman who is responsible for the patchwork that is Adam.
Dr. Angleman in some ways is one of the more frightening members
of the Initiative. At some point in his life, when he became a
physician, Dr. Angleman took an oath to above all do no harm.
And yet he finds it possible to experiment on the men in the special
ops division, and to create the demon-cyborg that is Adam. To
his credit, he did not agree with Maggie that Buffy needed to
be killed. To his discredit, he did nothing to stop her. Had he
actively opposed her, he may have jeopardized his position, and
this he would not do under any circumstances. However, this dedication
doesn't help him once Adam determines he is no longer necessary.
Dr. Angleman finds out firsthand how well the nice Polgara arm
with skewer works.
Colonel McNamara takes over temporary command of the Initiative
after Professor Walsh and Dr. Angleman are killed. He is very
by-the-book military in his outlook. No one and nothing has much
of an individual identity for him. The demons and monsters they
capture and experiment on are animals. Riley is "the boy."
Buffy is "the girl," and "just a girl" at
that. He is dismissive of the potential havoc that the overcrowding
could cause, quite satisfied for the demons to fight with and
kill each other, complacently certain that the containment system
cannot go down. Buffy and her friends are considered "freaks"
by him, anarchists, too backward for the for the real world. Perhaps
he's right. But what the colonel hasn't yet realized is that Sunnydale
is not much like that 'real world' he's referring to. He's incapable
of thinking outside the box, of comprehending that the well-regulated
world in which he lives is perhaps not so well-regulated after
all. Unfortunately, this inability, this narrow outlook costs
him very nearly all the lives of the Initiative. As a villain,
he is possibly the most human we've seen before - it is only his
desire to keep his ordered world intact that blinds him to the
fact that it is crumbling around him.
Faith is back again, rising from her coma against all expectations.
She harbors great resentment for Buffy, for everyone really. Her
first act is one of violence - beating and stripping a hospital
visitor for her clothing. After stopping for a look at the destroyed
high school, she goes over to Giles' and eavesdrops outside his
window. The next day she then goes to the college campus and waits
for Buffy, who comes walking by with Willow. What is intriguing
about the exchange is that the first accusation Faith makes is
not about Buffy trying to kill her, but that for eight months
Buffy never came to visit her. Faith sums up Buffy's motivation
and current status quite succinctly, but missing a few salient
details. What she really wants is the chance to retaliate. They
fight, ending it only when a police car shows up, and Faith skedaddles
pronto. Faith is found by a demon, who has a remembrance for her
from the Mayor. Faith thanks him for his troubles by unceremoniously
snapping his neck and then watches the videotape he had for her.
He gives her a gift that will allow her the revenge they both
seek. She goes to Buffy's house and invites herself in with a
fist to Joyce's eye. Faith also hits home in another way, pointing
out that she's sure Buffy hasn't spent much time with her mom
since she left for college. When Buffy arrives, they once again
fight, but something different happens this time - during the
fight Faith slips the device she received from the Mayor, and
grabs Buffy's hand with it tightly clasped between their palms.
It glows from between their hands, and both react strongly to
it. Then Buffy knocks Faith out. Joyce has called the police and
now looks to see if Buffy is okay. Buffy assures he that she's
"five by five." Faith is then taken into custody by
the police. When Buffy and Joyce talk afterward, Joyce is a little
surprised by Buffy's callousness about Faith, but we the audience
are not. We now know she's Faith. She makes herself at home, then
finds Buffy's passport, and Joyce's wallet. She uses Joyce's credit
card to book a flight, and steals the money from the wallet. Faith/buffy
then goes to Giles' for a meeting of the Scoobies, and learns
that Buffy/faith is now in the Council's hands. Faith/buffy says
she'll patrol, but instead goes to the Bronze and is having a
great time. She evens encounters Spike,, with whom she has a very
sexually suggestive conversation, although Spike never knows she's
not really Buffy. Willow and Tara run into her there, and Tara,
who is insulted by her realizes that she is not Buffy. Meanwhile,
Willow spots a vampire hitting on a girl and heading outside,
and Faith/buffy realizes that she'd better do her job. When she
does, though, she's taken aback and confused by the girl's very
sincere thank you. After a casual question from Willow, Faith/buffy
decides to pay a surprise visit to Riley, one that turns out far
differently than she ever expected. Riley is the type of guy she
always insisted didn't exist, who truly cared, and acted that
way. Faith/buffy is completely thrown when Riley tells her he
loves her after they've made love. Afterward, when she is leaving,
she runs into Forrest who is his usual charming self and begins
to defend Buffy to him, then realizes what she is doing and stops.
She heads to the airport, and while waiting for her flight hears
on the news about three "frighteningly disfigured" men
who were holding a church congregation hostage. What she doesn't
know is that Willow and Tara have devised another katra to reverse
the switching spell, and Giles now knows that Buffy has Faith's
appearance. Faith heads to the church and confronts the three
vampires, now getting more and more into Buffy's persona. When
she tells them they are not going to kill the hostages "because
it's wrong" she now means it. And 'gets it.' The real Buffy
arrives and dusts the final vampire. Faith/buffy attacks her counterpart,
and beats her mercilessly, saying to her all the things that have
been said about Faith - and showing that Buffy was more right
than even she knew when she told her (after Faith had killed the
deputy-mayor) that she could "shut off all the emotions you
want ... but eventually they're gonna find a body." And they
had. Faith was able to pour all of her inner hatred and contempt
out upon her own body while she was possessing Buffy's. Buffy
manages to get the katra into place and they shift back to their
own bodies. Both are in shock and disoriented, possibly from the
switch, possibly from the emotion that had just been released.
Faith runs out, and disappears. During this time Faith went from
a single-minded desire to destroy Buffy to an understanding of
why Buffy feels the way she does, and understanding of just what
"because it's wrong" really means. And when she understands
that, she finds herself in tremendous inner turmoil, finally realizing
what she had allowed herself to become. She took the first small
steps on a long road when she did what Buffy would have done,
solely because "it was right."
The Watchers' Council has had one of their field operatives
on duty at the hospital to keep an eye on their comatose rogue
Slayer, so they are notified that Faith is gone almost as quickly
as the police are. The special operations retrieval team, with
great presumption, make themselves comfortable at Giles' home
after arriving by helicopter. When Buffy/faith is being transported
but the police the Council's retrieval team takes her into custody
by force. Once she is awake, Weatherby makes it clear that he
holds her in the deepest contempt, referring to her as "it"
and spitting in her face because he couldn't kill her at that
point. Collins is much more business-like, simply viewing her
as a job to do. While they are waiting for their next instructions,
the third man, Smith, decides to interrupt Buffy/faith's incessant
banging against the inside of the armored van. When he does, she
captures him and attempts to use him as a hostage, but Weatherby
and Collins both tell her to go ahead and kill him. She can't
do this, of course, so she lets him go to his vast surprise. Once
they have the word to kill her, Collins goes to shoot her, but
she manages to get his gun from him and knock him unconscious,
through the bars with her feet no less, then use the gun to free
herself. She then gets into the front of the van, knocks Weatherby
unconscious by slamming the door into his face, and escapes. After
this spectacular failure, the team is called off. Once again showing
that the Watchers' Council's main shortcoming is not unlike that
of the Initiative - a failure of imagination. It never once occurred
to them that a Slayer could escape from their best special ops
team, even though the Slayer is still living after facing much
less favorable odds than that, and against those who actively
sought her death from the moment she encountered them.
The First Slayer visited each of the Scoobies in dreamscapes,
attempting at the end of each dream to kill the Scooby whose dream
it was. Willow is left choking, Xander is left with gasping and
writhing after his heart is wrenched out, Giles' head is attacked.
Buffy is physically attacked, a fight that spills over into the
Summers' living room when the dreaming Buffy wakes up - a fight
that is ended when she refuses to fight any longer. The First
Slayer is not used to being ignored. According to Giles, the dream
manifestations were brought on as a response to invoking the power
of the First to enjoin them as spiritus, animus
and sophus to combine with Buffy as manus to defeat
Adam. As a little bad, the First Slayer is quite enigmatic ...
and wouldn't be an evil at all were it not for the attempts to
kill each of them. In the process of the dreams much is revealed
in an obscure manner, and much about the inner psyches of the
Scoobies [none of which will be dealt with here]. At the same
time, questions are raised, in particular about the actual nature
of the Slayer. The First does not speak, borrowing Tara to be
her voice, and is most primitive, primal. She admonishes Buffy
for having her friends, instructs her. "I live in the action
of death, the blood cry, the penetrating wound ... I am destruction.
Absolute ... alone." Buffy denies that. She is not alone.
"The slayer does not walk in this world." Again, Buffy's
denial and demand that her friends be returned. "No ... friends!
Just the kill. ... We ... are ... alone!" But Buffy is not
alone, has never been alone except when she faced Angelus for
the last time. She has always prevailed, at times when other Slayers
would have failed, in part due to her changing the rules, the
her not being alone, relying on friends for moral support, for
research, and physical assistance. What is not known is whether
the First Slayer would have killed them all, or if the attempt
itself was the message; nor do we know why the First Slayer came
with such a message. Is there something more to the message than
we yet know?
This season the Scoobies faced a Big Bad that was organized at
a level they had never faced before. The Initiative was a combined
military and scientific experiment to determine whether or not
the HSTs could be harnessed to work for the humans, for the government.
In this season not only the Big Bad but a far greater percentage
of the little bads they encountered were either human themselves,
or cuased by human action. The Initiative is a sretictly human
endeavor, ultimately creating the hybrid monster that was Adam.
Hus and the warriors he called to aid him exist to avenge the
wrongs done by the encroaching settlers to the Chumash tribe.
Lowell House is haunted because of the evil done to the children
who lived there in the name of saving their souls by Mrs. Holt.
The JonathanVerse altered reality ans the monster generated by
the spll that created that new reality were Jonathan's fault.
The cave-men were degenerated by the bar owner, Jack, to spite
the intellectual college students that he felt condescended to
him. The zombies, Maggie Walsh, Dr. Angleman and the others were
created by the Initiative's failed grand experiment, Adam. Even
some of the demons that they face this season are there because
of human foibles: Gachnar is inadvertently called through a series
of unconnected events that, in sequence, completed the ritual
to call the Fear Demon. A demon who has great power only so long
as those affected grant power to their fears. d'Hoffryn appears
in response to the chaos and pain caused by Willow's spell to
have her will done, a spell she was certain was a failure. There
is a growing list of human little bads, including a few returning
evils, most notably Faith and the Watchers' Council. There are
still vampires - Sunday, Spike, Harmony and Adam's recruits: Boone
and his two minions - Sunnydale just wouldn't be the same without
vampires. And a smattering of other demons, most notably Buffy's
first roommate, Kathy, and the Vahral Demons who very nearly succeed
in re-opening the Hellmouth.
And of course, one of the most chilling villains the Scoobies
have faced: The Gentlemen and their goons. Monsters from the old
fairy tales, who silence all and gather the hearts of seven. The
silence is as much their nemesis as the Gentlemen themselves are.
Communication and human interaction is an underlying aspect to
this season. As they began this season the Scoobies found that
they had moved apart ... Giles as an unemployed librarian/watcher
tells Buffy that she has to take care of things herself; Xander,
the 'townie' who isn't part of the college life, is not even present
at the very beginning; Willow is so excited about starting college
and being near Oz that she is blind to everything else, and Buffy
is on her own as the Slayer. While they come together loosely
to battle the evils they face, they lack the cohesion that marked
the previous three years. When Buffy insists that her roommate
is a demon, no one is willing to believe her - they go so far
as to tie her up to prevent her from confronting the roommate.
Giles does at least check on Buffy's facts and determines that
she is quite correct. As relationship start, falter, blossom and
crumble, they support one another, but are also withdrawing from
each other. At almost the central point of the season, the communication
breakdown becomes complete - no one can even speak to one another,
or to anyone else for that matter. They continue their drifting
apart, Buffy becoming more involved with Riley and the Initiative,
Willow with magic and Tara, Xander with Anya. Their estrangement
reaches the point where once Faith has switched bodies with Buffy,
none of the Scoobies, or even Buffy's mother or boyfriend, realize
the change. It took an outsider, Tara, to see it immediately,
although Tara saw it as a disruption of the energy flow about
her. The introduction into their lives of an evil Spike who can't
harm anyone both divides and unites them. After they learn that
Spike has deliberately and far too easily divided them, playing
on their insecurities and resentments, they are both chagrined
and determined to put it behind them. After this they become closer
and in greater communication than they have ever been before -
they must merge themselves to give Buffy the power she needs to
defeat Adam. Even the dreams they have as a result of the spell
they used and the use of the power of the Slayer line have commonalities,
and each has integral parts in the other's dreams. The group that
began only loosely associated and disintegrated to the point where
none of them were communicating, ended as tightly cohesive as
they had ever been.
Your feedback is welcomed!
[liberal use of Psyche's transcripts for details]
[> [> Fantastic post
(but a heretical view on Oz) -- KdS, 03:10:52 01/13/03
Mon
Don't have a great deal to add except that I have a slightly more
ambiguous attitude to the Oz/Veruca issue than you do. As I see
it, we can't assume that any werewolf who integrated their animal
and human sides would be as amoral and murderous as Veruca was
- it's possible that Veruca was that way before she became a werewolf.
Oz assumes that Veruca's typical, but that might just have been
down to self-hatred.
When Oz gets back to SD in New Moon Rising he's dealt with
his wolf side by utterly repressing it, but at the cost of it
breaking out uncontrollably when he experiences strong emotions.
Despite his romantic belief that it's Willow alone who has the
power to bring it out, he still wolfs out when he's tortured by
the Initiative (and he wolfs out with both Tara and the Initiative
in the daytime). The impression I get is that he's far more dangerous
in this state than he was when he was locking himself in a cage
every night to get catharsis - without the catharsis he's a bomb
who can go off at any time. I'd hate to think what would happen
if someone tried to mug him or he got into a bar fight.
It may conflict with ME's tendency to see dreams of supernatural
transcendence as an adolescent trap, but if Oz had ever come back,
I'd like to have seen him discover that he could fully integrate
his personality and retain his intelligence and moral sense in
werewolf form. (Not that I'm hoping for some fluffy New Age werewolf
- I'm thinking something more akin to the essentially decent but
calmly lethal protagonist of Neil Gaiman's story The Hunt).
[> [> [> Re: Thoughtful
summations, observations and clarifications -- Brian, 06:13:27
01/13/03 Mon
[> [> [> Re: Not so
heretical -- LittleBit, 12:02:29 01/13/03 Mon
We do have only two werewolves to use as a comparison. And I agree,
Veruca's predatory attitude may well have been part of her personality
long before she became a werewolf. On the other hand, she may
have been bitten as young as Oz's cousin Jordy, and the wolfishness
may have played a significant part in the formation of her mature
personality. We simply don't know. What we do know about her is
that she has embraced the wolf inside, and pities those who don't
have this as lesser creatures, and that Oz does not buy into this.
I also agree that Oz is more dangerous right now when he can change
at any time simply by having his emotions loosen his control,
or by application of pain that overrides his conscious control.
Before, he needed to be contained from sunset to sunrise on three
well-defined nights each moon cycle. He believed he had control
until it was severely tested, and then realized he hadn't gone
far enough. And you are right --- at least as far as we are aware,
he had not recognized that Willow was not the only thing that
could erode his control. I, too, would love to see him come back,
fully in control of the wolf, with intellect and morality intact.
But I think, within the boundaries of the BuffyVerse that the
best we could hope for would be the full control and even then
it would be so close to having a 'cure' that it's highly unlikely.
Rats. Think they'll ever get someone with a coolness factor on
the show again?
[> [> Um...isn't there
another Part? -- Darby, 06:38:24 01/13/03 Mon
Maybe I'm thickheaded (and no, we're not putting it to a vote),
but I'm not sure what the actual point is here. It's a very comprehensive
trip down memory lane, but the only real assertion that comes
across to me is in the title.
I'm honestly not trying to be snarky, as you've obviously put
a huge amount of work in here...I'm just not sure you've left
much for us to discuss.
[> [> [> Re: Um...isn't
there another Part? -- LittleBit, 08:03:47 01/13/03 Mon
Not really sure what to say here. Except that I guess maybe this
isn't the place for a post of this nature.
[> [> [> [> Littlebit
and Darby -- Tchaikovsky, 09:30:08 01/13/03 Mon
Not only is this post a good way of making the apparent disconnectedness
of some of the Season Four episodes resurface in the heads of
people on the board, it also makes interesting and valid points
about several of the episodes, as well as coming to some conclusions
about the patterns of the Season as a whole. For example, I was
interested by the assertion that Xander is incapable of understanding
body language, and in the conclusions about the humanising of
many of the villains, coupled with many of the villains' attempt
to deny communication [as most obviously, but not uniquely, with
the Gentlemen.]
If I was worried about the appropriateness of my posts, I'd never
post anything substantial, as I have an annoying tendency to spout
thousands of entirely non-Buffy related 'words of wisdom'. Littlebit's
post stays on topic throughout.
I am willing to accept that there are different types of post,
and that maybe a more orthodox one is one which either draws a
controversial conclusion or offers a question to the board, but
not to accept that some kinds of posts shouldn't be posted, [except
trolling, and a long unprompted essay on the anatomy of haddock,
which I sadly didn't bring myself to post].
I found this interesting and stimulating, and don't think any
kind of post should be branded inappropriate.
TCH
[> [> [> [> [>
But... -- Darby, 11:02:57 01/13/03 Mon
I never meant to suggest that it was inappropriate. Since the
title seemed to suggest a theme, I really thought that I was reading
an exposition that got so extensive that LB might have not realized
that she had not gotten back to it. I see similar things happen
in papers that people write. Then LB responded and I wasn't sure
what to say - TCH, your addition helped form my response.
But I also wanted to point out that, except for the occasional
viewpoints sprinkled into the recaps, there wasn't much to discuss
for us readers out here. I don't think that this makes the post
inappropriate, but often this sort of post receives few responses
(I assume that my occasional stream-of-consciousness reviews have
the same problem, or at least my ego is happy believing it) just
for that reason, and I imagine the writers sitting at their keyboards
wondering why no one seems to be reading what they've put up.
That's the second reason why I responded the way I did. I kinda
knew that it was risky, but I also knew how frustrating getting
little obvious response after putting this much effort into a
post can be. It was meant to be a constructive criticism, but
there was no way to do that without being a smidge critical. I
really regret if I've hurt any feelings.
- Darby, scurrying back under his rock.
[> [> [> [> [>
[> Maybe... -- LittleBit, 11:44:09 01/13/03 Mon
... it has to do with the fact that this is part four of a six
(now to be seven) part series, the first three of which were posted
last summer? This post focused only on season 4; each of the parts
is focused on a single season. Simple evil started in Part 1 and
the journey that evil takes will continue until Part 6 (Pogo)
and beyond. Perhaps what I should have done was indicate this
at the beginning of the post, but I honestly didn't think of that.
The first three were close enough together for the concept to
make itself clear, and there was a significant gap between those
and the current one, but the possible impact of that time gap
never even occurred to me.
I do know that far more people read posts like this than respond
to them (quite often, I hear from them in chat). Part of the joke
regarding the "archived by noon" comment was that immediately
after I posted Part One, shadowkat posted her wonderful Spike/Willow's
journey and immediately after Part Two, the haiku thread was posted
(there were skidmarks to show how fast mine went out after that
one)...and my impeccable timing totally amused me.
As for my initial response, I really didn't know how to
take your comments. TCH's response, and your follow-up have really
helped to clarify it for me. There's no hurt feelings (okay, maybe
a little teensy one right here [points] but it's all better now).
I know this isn't the kind of post that invites a great deal of
discussion, but I'm not sure how to do that and cover an exposition/analysis
of all the specific evils in a season.
[> [> [> [> [>
[> [> One more (quick) thought -- Tchaikovsky, 12:01:03
01/13/03 Mon
Being such a mammoth and comprehensive series, (at least by the
time it is finished), do you think it might be worth asking Sol
is she would put it up in the Existential Scoobies somewhere?
Then, rather than being an unusual post, it could be a massive
seven season treatise on the developing nature of evil in the
Buffyverse, and I'm sure it would sit there as comfortably, especially
without the risk of being immediately swallowed by Voy.
TCH
[> [> [> [> [>
[> [> [> Re: That's my plan :-) -- LittleBit (who
finally got the first three coded for the FC), 12:04:26 01/13/03
Mon
[> [> [> [> [>
[> [> Re: Maybe... -- shadowkat, 12:21:22 01/13/03
Mon
Sorry about that...on posting my essay at the same time.
If it helps the same thing has happened to me. The dang meme threads
sent one of my essay posts to archive quicker than I wished.
But you hit on something interesting here - truth is it's hard
for people to respond to essays. Some do. But some - I remember
Phoenix once telling me that the reason she didn't respond was
she couldn't think of anything worthwhile to say and was afraid
of detracting from the post. I know I don't respond to some posts
for the same reasons, afraid of detracting when the poster said
it so well. I guess a wow would be good enough.
Hence what I would put here. Wow. I printed off the first three
as well and read them. I find them fascinating.
And since I agree with your points - don't tend to respond.
(Another thing - I think lots of folks on the board only post
a response if they disagree with something...just a guess.)
SK
[> [> [> [> [>
[> [> [> LOL ... don't be sorry! -- LittleBit,
14:19:11 01/13/03 Mon
I just thought it got to be funny. And thanks for the Wow!
[> [> [> [> [>
completely agree. -- shadowkat, 12:13:11 01/13/03 Mon
Little Bit - please keep posting these. If we can handle off topic
threads - we can do this.
And obviously - someone found something to discuss - Sophist posted
something below. And I printed off these posts as well your past
one's in this series. I'm looking forward to seeing you do Season
5 and 6.
SK
[> [> Great work LittleBit!
-- ponygirl, 08:42:34 01/13/03 Mon
[> [> Great job!! And
a dissent on Willow (you knew I would). -- Sophist, 09:17:54
01/13/03 Mon
My post pretty well guarantees you lose your bet (assuming you
meant EST).
Willow uses her power as a witch for the first time in a completely
selfish manner, giving us a glimpse into just how far she considers
going in the name of vengeance when she's feeling hurt, and also
how recklessly she is willing to use magic. She begins and very
nearly completes a spell to curse Oz and Veruca
Your second sentence contradicts the first clause of the first
one. She did not actually use her power in such a manner. She
considered it, but couldn't bring herself to do it.
Willow showed herself as being capable of self-absorption to
the extent of wanting everyone else around her to wallow with
her in her self-pity.
I assume by this you mean her sadness at Oz's departure. If so,
I don't think this is fair; in fact, her friends, especially Buffy,
were not fair. Compare W/O to B/P:
Buffy slept with Parker in HLOD and then was distraught about
it for 2 episodes, plus some random comments in a couple of later
episodes. Willow lost Oz (a far more serious event, IMHO) in WaH,
and then was distraught for 3 episodes, after which we never hear
about it again. There is very little difference between the 2
situations, which are clearly intended to parallel each other.
Willow was no more self-absorbed than Buffy, even on this comparison.
The true comparison, however, is not to B/P, but to B/A. If we
make that comparison, Willow certainly grieved much less for Oz
than Buffy did for Angel (a fact which someone here will be sure
to twist into a criticism of Willow!). In no way is it fair to
say Willow was self-absorbed.
[> [> [> Re: Great
job!! And a dissent on Willow (you knew I would). -- Dochawk,
12:25:27 01/13/03 Mon
Soph I definitely agree with your thoughts on Willow.
As fans we have a propensity to criticize our characters when
ME is metaphorically dealing with issues in relationships that
we all deal with in our growing up years. This extends to all
of the sexual relationships (especially those discussed in the
long thread below) and for Willow here. The reactions we see aren't
abnnormal for the way many of us have grown up, but they are of
course dramatized tomake good tv. I doubt we would fault our friends
when we were 20 when they pined for their ex for 3 weeks after
the breakup of what they thought was their once in a lifetime
love. And Willow tempted by the dark side (by using the spells)
is just a metaphor with how many of us dealt with these relationships.
And of course ME is always going to go for the pain, we watch
the show because of it, yet criticize them for the way we interpet
it afterwards. What an impossible double edged sword for ME to
have to face.
[> [> [> Re: yes,
I surely did -- LittleBit ((Best 25¢ I ever lost ;-)
... ), 13:42:59 01/13/03 Mon
Before I say anything more ... this is not Willow-bashing. She's
one of the most interesting and complex characters on the show,
second only to Buffy in my opinion. Both Willow and Buffy have
tremendous power at their disposal - and both struggle with the
morality of that power. I will try to keep comparisons between
the two to a minimum.
I wasn't even really considering Buffy/Parker any more than I
was thinking of Willow/Moloch. The only comparable relationship
Buffy had to Willow/Oz was Angel.
What I was trying to express was that when Willow was at her lowest
points, first with anger, then with grief, she tends to act rather
than withdraw. When Buffy talks to her after she has seen Oz and
Veruca, Buffy tells her that it is not her fault, that she should
put the blame where it belongs. In her anger, Willow puts the
blame on those she feels have betrayed her ... Oz and Veruca.
She decides to act ... and begins a spell that would put a very
nasty curse on each of them. While she does not go through with
it, I believe she frightened herself with the strength of her
desire for revenge, and with how close she came to going through
with it. Under the circumstances, I do feel that she determined
to use her power in a selfish way. She didn't scream this curse
at them when she found them, she (most likely) researched the
spell, went to a lab, gathered materials, performed the incantation,
and had reached the final step before she realized what she was
doing and stopped. Yes, she stopped, but her active response to
the anger and hurt was to decide to place a curse on them. And
when she is bemoaning the fact that her 'will be done' spell didn't
work, she describes the stopping as not having the guts to do
the spell on Veruca (apparently having forgotten that the spell
included Oz as well).
Later, when the finality of Oz's departure is brought home to
her, Willow gets very upset, more so than when he left in the
first place. Because now she knows he's not coming back. She tries
to erase the pain by making her sorrows wade in light beer. Her
friends let her know that's not the way to go, and Buffy insists
on getting her back to the dorm. Willow tells her she just wants
the pain to be over, to go away just because she says so; she
wants to make it go 'poof'. Buffy tells her it going to take time,
that she just has too go through the pain. Which Buffy did, all
three times she lost Angel, including having to make the decision
to kill him when he was evil, and again having to make that decision
right after his soul is restored. Willow simply doesn't want to
wait. She waits until Buffy is asleep, then performs a spell that
she thinks should allow her to will the pain away. My describing
her as self-absorbed has to do with most of the inadvertent damage
she does during the time her spell is in effect. She curses Giles
with blindness because he was concerned that she was not acting
like herself, and he had the nerve to tell her that she shouldn't
be doing solo magic while her energy is unfocused. She's angry
at Buffy because Buffy can't spend time with her when she wants
because Buffy needs to go find Spike. Willow goes to Xander for
validation, and instead he offers reason and explanation. Her
peevishness at this comes close to killing them all. It's not
until d'Hoffryn tells her what chaos she has created that she
is even cognizant of the effects of her spell. She's appalled
and quickly reverses it.
I do think it's fair to say that Willow was self-absorbed at this
point in time. Just as it would be fair to say that Buffy was
self-absorbed when she ran away after sending Angel to a hell
dimension. I do think that she turned to magic both times as quick
ways to make her feel better, whether or not she completed it.
These aspects of Willow's character are some of the things that
make her multi-faceted and intriguing. These are flaws that we
want to see her recognize and work through, coming out a stronger
person for having faced them.
[> [> [> [> Re:
yes, I surely did -- Sophist, 17:14:46 01/13/03 Mon
My first point was even narrower than that. Your original sentence
said that Willow "used" magic. I was objecting only
on the ground that she started to, but didn't carry through. Therefore
she didn't "use" it. I wasn't commenting on anything
other than this narrow point.
On the self-absorbtion issue, we may just be differing on how
broad the term is. To me, "self-absorbed" is Cordy in
the early eps of S1. I would never apply that term to Buffy or
Willow at any time until maybe S6 (and perhaps not then).
The reason I wouldn't in S4 is that they both had legitimate grounds
for sorrow. It's pretty easy for outsiders to dismiss another's
pain; all the more reason why we should be charitable to those
who suffer. I'm not ready to say that either Buffy or Willow let
it go on too long.
Doc's point is well-taken. ME had a point to make: don't dwell
on your losses. They chose Buffy and Willow to make that point.
That doesn't mean that we, from the outside, can't reach a different
conclusion. I would in both cases.
[> [> [> [> [>
self-absorption -- Flo, 00:57:22 01/14/03 Tue
I agree that the battle for who is most self-absorbed isn't really
the issue here. Buffy and Willow can both have their "Cordelia
moments." What is interesting to me is the way Willow requires
that her friends demonstrate that they feel what she is feeling.
Buffy, when she was swept into her own insecurity over Parker,
talked on and on about what she was feeling. She expected her
friends to listen, but she didn't expect them to feel miserable,
too. In fact, she was so narcissistic through her Parker process
that she really wasn't paying much attention at all to how her
friends were responding.
Willow, on the other hand, feels angry at and disappointed in
Buffy when Buffy leaves the room to find Spike rather than sit
and wallow with Willow. Then, when Buffy is not available for
her, she goes to Xander and tries to extract sympathy from him.
It is as if she is so afraid to fully own and experience her own
grief that she must put it on others in order to make it better.
[> [> [> Excellent
post, LittleBit! And Sophist, I agree completely about Willow.
-- Ixchel, 17:26:19 01/13/03 Mon
[> [> Fabulous. Thanks
so much 'bit! -- Caroline, 12:49:58 01/13/03 Mon
[> LB's "Evolution
of Evil" series is both on-topic and required reading
-- cjl, 12:45:01 01/13/03 Mon
The gradual shift from the simple monsters of the week in S1 to
the "monsters within" of S6 and beyond is worth noting
in minute detail. Even if there isn't much in the way of analysis,
seeing it all on screen, season-by-season, is a way to reflect
on aspects of evil you've forgotten or didn't think related to
the overall theme of a season.
But, to throw a bone out to Darby, a little more analysis would
be welcome. Your observation about Xander's complete inability
to read body language in "Hush" was a sharp observation,
and I'd like to see more of the same.
Great news
for Lorne fans! (only backstage spoilers; no story spoilers)
-- Rob, 09:31:32 01/13/03 Mon
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2003-01/13/12.30.tv
"Andy Hallett, who plays green-skinned Lorne on The WB's
Angel, told SCI FI Wire that he's becoming a regular cast member,
starting with the vampire series' upcoming 14th episode. "They
just announced it two days ago," Hallett said in an interview
Jan. 11 during the network's winter press preview. "So you'll
be seeing more of Lorne, which I never expected, by the way."
Hallett, who had only been a recurring player, will also appear
in revamped credits opening the show.
Hallett added, "I was originally signed on for, like, two
episodes at the very beginning. And yesterday or the day before
was my 48th episode. And then I got a wonderful call from [series
co-creator] Joss Whedon, ... and I was absolutely stunned. He
caught me totally off guard. And he said, 'I want to let you know
that we're making you a regular for the back nine episodes of
this season.' ... They've been using me a lot anyway, so I kind
of anticipated being with them for the duration, but I really
wasn't sure. So this just really solidified it." Angel airs
Wednesdays at 9 p.m. ET/PT and returns with new episodes Jan.
15."
_________________________
Oh, and didja hear that AD and AH are engaged?!? Awww! :o)
Rob
[> Woops, got beat --
JM, 09:45:17 01/13/03 Mon
Didn't see your post already about Alexis and Aly.
Great to hear about Lorne. Can't think of anyone who doesn't love
him.
[> Very cool! I'm happy
for our little green kiwi tart! -- Dichotomy, 09:49:08
01/13/03 Mon
My lame attempt at a Lornesque term of endearment--sorry.
[> [> Re: Very cool!
I'm happy for our little green kiwi tart! -- slain, 12:55:58
01/13/03 Mon
To me a "kiwi tart" would be a loose woman from New
Zealand, but that's just me.
I'm glad Lorne has been made a regular - all the best new regular
characters have been recurring characters who've stayed on, as
opposed to characters created to be regulars (does this make sense?),
and he's earned his place. Mind you, whenever I see him on the
show, I often think "God, how can he stand being put in all
that makeup every day?". Though I guess it's probably no
more than many TV anchors wear.
[> [> [> They use
make up on Lorne? -- DickBD, 14:48:16 01/13/03 Mon
Wouldn't it be easier to just find someone that looked the part?
;)
[> [> [> [> Re:
Hey, it ain't easy being green, but sometimes the magic works
-- Brian, 16:15:04 01/13/03 Mon
[> A splash of cold water
on this happy occasion for Lorne fans -- cjl (Lornepalooza
host, who's risking charges of heresy...), 13:24:18 01/13/03
Mon
Two simple words:
Cast bloat.
As much as I love the idea of the green guy as a regular (and
when is he reopening the Hyperion ballroom as the new Caritas,
anyway?), we're in danger of expanding the cast to Buffy-sized
proportions. After a first season of DB, CC, and GQ/AD as the
regulars and a galaxy of top notch supporting characters, we now
have DB, CC, AD, JAR, AA, VK, and now AHal as regulars, and a
rapidly diminishing supporting cast.
I'd love to laugh off the expanding cast size as a minor challenge
for the talented writers of ME, but judging from Buffy S7, they're
not as adept at juggling jumbo sized casts as we might think.
(Anybody out there satisfied with Giles' screen time? OK, he's
not a regular anymore. How about Anya's? Dawn's? Willow's? Xander's?)
As much as it hurts to say this, some of these characters need
to be either eliminated or reduced to recurring status. Once they've
cleared up the mystery of his birth and his connection to the
Beast, should Connor be a regular? Wouldn't it be better for him
to strike out on his own and visit when the writers have some
juicy father/son angst for DB and VK to chew on? If Fred and Gunn
split up, is there enough interest in their characters (by the
writers or the audience) to keep them in the show 24/7? Wouldn't
Gunn/JAR be better off as an independent operative, out from under
Angel's orbit? No, not with a street gang like in S1, but maybe
switching places with Wes and leading a 21st century demon-hunting
agency, combining his street smarts and the hi-tech wizardry he
learned from Fred.
And as for Cordelia...no. It's too painful. I won't even suggest
it.
So--congrats, Andy. You deserve regular status. But let's see
if seven is a lucky number.
[> [> But then again...
-- Rob, 13:42:01 01/13/03 Mon
...if Lorne is going to be on every episode, as he has been recently,
he might as well be in the opening credits. He doesn't have much
more screen time than Willow/Xander/Dawn lately.
Speaking of which, I do adore this season of "Buffy."
But even I will admit that not enough time is being spent on the
characters, for the past two episodes especially (although I will
not say that I don't think there were any good character moments--they're
just too few and far between, IMO). I never thought I'd say this,
but I hope that there can be one or two standalone episodes coming
up, before the final stretch of story-arc heavy eps, so that we
can have a little time to just deal with the characters. Since
it seems like we may be approaching the end of the series, and
we only have about 10 eps left, I'm getting worried that there
may not be enough time to answer all the questions of this season
and have enough quality time with the characters whom we will
miss so terribly when they're gone. I think a good character-driven
(preferably Xander-driven) standalone episode is just what is
needed about now.
I have faith (heh, heh) though that this can be rectified, and
that the characters have been pushed aside lately precisely because
of the need to kick the Big Bad arc into full gear. The first
batch of episodes this year was chock full of character goodness.
Lessons, Beneath You, STSP, Help, Selfless, Him, Conversations
with Dead People, Sleeper, Never Leave Me were very character-heavy.
It is only BotN and Showtime (which I still enjoyed, for the most
part, by the way) that we've not been getting enough character-driven
moments. It seems like it's been forever since we had the break,
and these two eps were spaced out. I doubt we'd be feeling such
a dramatic drop-off in character moments had we seen these episodes
in a row.
Rob
Rob
[> [> [> Spoilery
below (but only in the most obtuse way) -- Sergio, 16:38:04
01/13/03 Mon
From what we know, you should be getting your wish, both specifically
and generally.
[> [> [> [> "for
9 back episodes..." ?Just seeing a little less firmness for
future. -- BR (love Lorne! But....), 17:03:47 01/13/03
Mon
[> [> [> [> [>
The deal with "back" episodes... -- Rob, 19:04:46
01/13/03 Mon
There are 15 episodes left of "Angel" this year, since
only 7 aired before winter break.
During the upcoming sweeps, there will be 6 episodes in a row,
in which Andy' s name will not appear in the credits.
And then, in time for the next sweeps period there are the 9 final
episodes of the season. And Andy's name will appear in those final
9. I assume that "back" just meant they'll be the last
batch of the season.
Rob
[> [> [> I agree with
you Rob Rob... -- Dichotomy, 17:28:03 01/13/03 Mon
It's time for a Xander-driven ep! I feel that somehow he's more
important to the upcoming battle than serving as a skilled wall
patcher and window boarder-upper. Mind you, it's just a general
feeling I have that could probably be backed up with episodic
evidence if I took the time to think it through. I've avoided
the spoilers thus far (unlike last season), so it's not based
on anything but a vibe I'm getting. But some of the Trollops are
making it so hard to resist!
AH and AD
-- JM, 09:32:02 01/13/03 Mon
Says at scifi.com that Alexis and Aly are an official (with a
ring and a tentative date with the preacher) item since X-mas.
Sigh . . . some hearts are breaking 'bout now.
[> Yippie! -- Masq,
09:42:28 01/13/03 Mon
I for one am happy for them. A marriage made on the Hellmouth...
[> Awww, that's so sweet.
They are so cute together. -- deeva, 09:59:54 01/13/03
Mon
[> Prediction: One posted
photo of AH in wedding dress and AD in groom's tux... -- cjl,
reveling in the marital cuteness, 10:58:46 01/13/03 Mon
And the collective sigh will blow this entire board out of the
internet.
Sniff. Love those crazy kids. Hope for long life and happiness
on the Hellmouth that is Hollywood...
[> "some hearts are
breaking 'bout now" - yeah, like mine -- Farstrider,
14:17:00 01/13/03 Mon
Vamps & ESP
-- ZachsMind, 14:21:44 01/13/03 Mon
Riddle me this, Batman!
The
Gift from season five. Willow telepathically orders Spike
to go up to protect Dawnie. They definitely have a conversation.
Since Willow has telepathy and Spike does not, she has to be able
to read his mind in order to pick up his thoughts.
Rewind to Earshot
in season three. Buffy tries to read Angel's mind with her newfound
demony powers. He tells her that vampires can't have their minds
read. "It's like the mirror. The thoughts are there, but
they create no reflection in you."
So how did Willow read Spike's mind?
Other times Willow has used telepathy include the opening scene
in Bargaining
Part One, and most recently, in Showtime.
[> Re: Vamps & ESP --
KKC, 14:31:08 01/13/03 Mon
Actually, it's been observed that Spike had to speak out loud
for Willow to hear him. In fact, he's shouting quite loudly, to
the confusion of the other characters around him. The implication
is that Spike can receive telepathic speech, but not project it.
So if you get really lawyerly about the continuity, there is no
inconsistency. :)
-KKC
[> [> Okay fine so I
make a bad Riddler. =) thanks! -- ZachsMind, 15:57:42 01/13/03
Mon
Buffy cancelled?
-- botitas, 14:46:12
01/13/03 Mon
CNN is reporting that UPN will not be picking up Buffy for next
season. Has anyone heard any information to contary.
[> I don't know about CNN
but thats not what Les Moonves said 2 days ago -- Dochawk,
15:29:45 01/13/03 Mon
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
Buffy's future is at stake
Monday, January 13th, 2003
HOLLYWOOD - A little bit of "Buffy" is better than none
at all for UPN. "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" could return
next season even if its star, Sarah Michelle Gellar, doesn't appear
in every episode, CBS President Leslie Moonves, who also oversees
UPN, told reporters yesterday at the television Critics winter
press tour.
UPN is currently in talks with the show producer 20th Century
Fox,about keeping the show for another season. "Buffy"
was the first breakout hit for the WB Network. But UPN acquired
the series last season, after the WB and Fox could not reach an
agreement on a new license fee. Now it's UPN's turn to negotiate
and the network is looking at a range of options since Gellar
is not signed to the show beyond this season.
"One possibility is she comes back, one possibility is she
comes back a couple of times, one possibility is we do a spinoff,"
Moonves said. "Another possibility is that we have a brand
new show on Tuesday at 8 o'clock."
The future of "Buffy" is just one of the challenges
UPN executives face as they decide what the 8-year-old network
should be. While the focus is on viewers between 18 and 34, the
network's personality changes nightly - sitcoms with black casts
Monday, "Buffy" Tuesday sci-fi with "Enterprise"
Wednesday, wrestling Thursday and action
movies Friday.
After surging with the addition of "Buffy" and "Enterprise"
last year, UPN's ratings have lagged this season, with the WB
taking overfifth place in the prime-time ratings race.
Moonves said UPN, while still a money-loser, is in better financial
shape than it has ever been. Growth targets include black viewers,
who not only watch Monday but also tune into "Buffy"
and "WWE Smackdown" in large numbers. Future UPN shows
will have multi-cultural casts and more contemporary themes, said
Moonves and UPN's entertainment president, Dawn Ostroff.
UPN is already headed in the direction, with the addition of the
sitcom "Abby," which stars Sydney Tamiia Poitier, and
"Platinum," a drama set in the world of hip-hop. The
network has projects in the works from Will Smith and Jada Pinkett-Smith,
and hip-hop artist Eve.
"Diversity is very important to this network," Moonves
said. "I think we're serving an audience that is not really
served by a lot of the other networks. I'd like us to continue
along in that vein."
Stephen Battaglio
[> [> Moonves has been
stating this party line since last December, as I posted from
TV Guide. -- Briar Rose, 16:45:10 01/13/03 Mon
This is only about whether BtVS as we know it continues or not.
Meaning will SMG even be involved or will they decide that even
a spin off would't carry the weight without the draw of SMG.
I have always assumed that no full time SMG means canceling the
show and will be agreed upon by all sides (UPN, ME, even most
of the cast would probably agree) as the best move that could
be made.
Sarah Michelle Gellar IS Buffy. Since the show is called
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, it is only common sense that
"Buffy" will be cancled if SMG isn't involved at all,
and probably if she is only involved peripherally.
Contrary to what is sometimes stated in editorials about BtVS
- this is not a "group show" where all characters are
equal in their importance to the story being told. This show is
wonderful for actors who want to spread their acting wings, for
sure. It is filled with people who are terrific actors in their
own right. I doubt any of them will be without employ for long
in any case. But it is Buffy-centric, no matter how well the other
characters have been allowed to be fleshed out and explored. It
always comes back to Buffy - as it should.
The entire premise of BtVS is how this slip of a girl comes to
town and changes the lives of all who come to know her as well
as the force of energy of the Hell Mouth forever.
The character of Buffy is central to the entire Buffy-verse. Nothing
happens in the series that isn't related to her existance in Sunnydale.
It would be practically impossible for UPN not to cancel
the series if SMG truly decides not to return in any way. Even
as an SMG "special appearance" every once in a while
show - it would still not be BUFFY the Vampire Slayer - it would
be The Woman Formerly Known as Buffy The Vampire Slayer Visits
the Lives of Her Buddies That Are Still Set in Sunnydale and Now
Have Struggled On Without Her, But Still Hold Her and What She
Did Strongly in Their Hearts....
That title won't fit on any screen I can think of.
[> Not on their web site--can
you give the reference? -- Wisewoman, 16:31:03 01/13/03
Mon
Is it on the TV news?
[> [> The ? of SMG's
contract negotiations should be answered by April at the latest.
-- Briar Rose, 16:49:31 01/13/03 Mon
[> [> [> My bad. Sorry
- thinking FEB and typed April... April is near end of filming
season. -- BR, 16:52:23 01/13/03 Mon
[> Not on their web site--can
you give the reference? -- Wisewoman, 16:32:22 01/13/03
Mon
Is it on the TV news?
[> [> Re: Not on their
web site--can you give the reference? -- botitas,
17:32:03 01/13/03 Mon
CNN Headline News reported at 4:25 p.m. CST that Buffy was not
going to be picked up for next season. However, I have not been
able find any other reports, and have not been able to watch to
see if they have repeated the story.
[> [> [> Thanks! And
Welcome! -- dub ;o), 17:41:29 01/13/03 Mon
[> Buffy to Bite the Dust
-- Rufus, 17:31:44 01/13/03 Mon
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30500-1076368,00.html
BUFFY TO BITE THE DUST?
TV bosses plan to kill off cult show Buffy the Vampire Slayer
following lacklustre ratings.
US station CBS said the long-running series, starring Sarah Michelle
Gellar, is not expected to return for an eighth run.
Gellar, who is married to Scooby-Doo co-star Freddie Prinze Jr,
is said to want to concentrate on her film career.
But CBS said the 25-year-old actress had "not said no"
to reprising her role as the vampire killer.
There also may be a spin-off series featuring some of the other
Buffy characters, it said.
Last Updated: 16:04 UK, Monday January 13, 2003
[> [> Re: Buffy to Bite
the Dust -- Corwin of Amber, 19:14:10 01/13/03 Mon
Um, last I looked BTVS was shown on UPN, not CBS. Did CBS buy
UPN and I just not hear about it, or what?
[> [> [> correcting
myself -- Corwin of Amber, 19:20:23 01/13/03 Mon
I just did some googling. Apparently, CBS is the parent company
of UPN. News to me.
[> [> [> Ditto to
that piece of confusion...... -- AurraSing, 19:21:36 01/13/03
Mon
I've been hearing lots in the past wee bit about BTVS not being
renewed,but I'm curious to hear exactly why CBS would be commenting
about a FOX produced show that runs on UPN.
"Veddy curious.Veddy curious indeed!"
[> [> [> [> So
"Dad" is already said no?? -- AurraSing, 19:27:41
01/13/03 Mon
Oh,that can't be good.
[> [> The rights of the
editor (or the person who wrote this editorialized an interview)
-- Dochawk, 23:18:16 01/13/03 Mon
I'm going to make you feel better (or maybe I'm not)but see above
interview. Les Moonves and Dawn Ostroff haven't made a decision
because SMG hasn't made a decision. The person who wrote this
article took the LM/DO interview (that was quoted extensively
above) and took bits and pieces (some of which had nothing to
do with each other) to make it seem like a decision has been made.
NOTHING is different than 2 months ago. The first decision is
Joss to see if he has a storyline he wants to do and then to see
if SMG is willing to do it. If Joss and Sarah want to come back
you can be sure UPN will grab it. So don't go getting upset quite
yet (doesn't mean that it will happen, but there are no changes).
[> [> [> Re: The rights
of the editor (or the person who wrote this editorialized an interview)
-- Rufus, 01:07:35 01/14/03 Tue
What we will get while noone knows what is going on will be articles
that are just variations on the same old information we have at
the moment...which is nothing.
[> [> Reads a bit strangly
-- Deb, 00:12:02 01/14/03 Tue
Cancelled because of poor ratings? BUT SMG might consider coming
back OR there could be a spin-off? If they are dusting it because
of bad ratings, why bother even discussing the other two options
at this point?
Sometimes I think people want to turn the heat up under the pot
to see if anything boils. . . Dark magic of networks.
[> Re: Buffy cancelled?
-- Deb, 23:59:56 01/13/03 Mon
Oh, I'm looking up at the stars and they are all bleeding red
together........Or perhaps its a migrain.
[> Its on Sky News as well.
-- Helen, 06:02:40 01/14/03 Tue
[> Prepare for battle!
-- ponygoyle, 13:09:23 01/14/03 Tue
My alter-ego was preparing a post about how we should send some
positive mental energies down ME's way much as we were able to
pool our brain power to send Wisewoman some snow last month(though
sadly many people seem to have a poor sense of Canada's geography
and dumped most of the order on Ontario). It was going to be all
perky and possibly include a winky smiley face.
But screw that! First Firefly and now this nipping at the heels
of BtVS and AtS? Are we just going to sit back and let the hounds
of hell in charge of the networks pick off our shows one by one?
I say no way! Since demons control the studios and networks who
is better able to deal with them than other demons? And I'm not
just talking lawyers.
Let us swoop down on these "contract negotiations" and
rend our enemies limb from limb. We will offer the heads of the
heads of UPN, WB and Fox to the Whedon! And he will praise us
and make more shows and all will be well.
[> [> Demonic Must-See
TV -- The Unclean, 13:34:03 01/14/03 Tue
Are you mad? Don't you understand what's happening? Did you miss
the memo? (It's posted on the bulletin board in Honorificus' temple
in the M'Fashnik dimension.) Our infiltration into the ranks of
the human world's entertainment industry is now almost complete.
We've started to eliminate any television programs advocating
independent thought and warning the humans about the existence
of demons. Farscape and Firefly were relatively easy, as they
were marginal projects, albeit from extremely talented people.
But Buffy and Angel have always been our main targets.
Do you want to ruin everything?
I look upon the landscape of American network television, and
everywhere I turn I see our triumph. Jerry Springer, Jenny Jones,
Fear Factor, The Bachelorette, Joe Millionaire, the Surreal Life,
and dozens of other programs designed to satisfy the human desire
for connection with "reality" and the desire to feel
superior to the idiots on screen; "Hidden Hills," "Good
Morning Miami," "Abby," and dozens of other sitcoms,
human interaction drained of any spontaneity or wit. Franchised
ensemble dramas (Trek, CSI, L&O). Overextended former hits
("West Wing," "Drew Carey"). Joyless and existing
only to produce money.
Ahh, it's music to my cauliflower-shaped ears.
So, demon-spawn, stop complaining and get to work on the last
phase of our plan. Even after we've driven the Whedon creature
off television, there are still wellsprings of creativity to squash.
This "Abrams" character is having too much fun with
"Alias." "24" might not be a one-season gimmick
show. And we must eliminate "Larry David" once and for
all....
[> [> [> Man, that's
just... evil -- ponygoyle, 13:47:40 01/14/03 Tue
which I appreciate 'cause you know evil-- but call me old-fashioned
I just don't have any patience for all these subtle manipulations
and power behind the throne thingies. I like a battle I can sink
my teeth into, preferably the jugular area.
And if your plan is working so well how do you explain the cancellation
of Touched By An Angel, aka The Source of All Evil?
[> [> [> [> We're
not supposed to say this where any humans might actually be listening,
but.... -- The Unclean, 14:04:30 01/14/03 Tue
Touched By An Angel was REAL. Most angels really are that bland
and boring. Ask Cordelia.
We enjoyed the fact that "TBaA" never honestly explored
the grey areas between good and evil like BUFFY and ANGEL do,
but--it had to go.
Same principle applied to "Highway to Heaven"....
Scenes Not
Heard - Scoobies & Body Language -- ZachsMind, 15:51:26
01/13/03 Mon
The following is in response to cjl's response to Darby's
response to Little Bit's "Evolution of Evil." Since
this post goes off topic, I thought I'd start a new thread.
"...But, to throw a bone out to Darby, a little more analysis
would be welcome. Your observation about Xander's complete inability
to read body language in 'Hush' was a sharp observation, and I'd
like to see more of the same."
This sounds too much like fun. Can't help but give it a go myself.
Scenes Not Heard - use of body language in HUSH
"Can't even shout. Can't even cry.
The gentlemen are coming by.
Looking in windows. Knocking on doors.
They need to take seven and they might take yours.
Can't call to mom. Can't say a word.
You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard"
It's ironic that the first time we see Tara (performed admirably
by Amber Benson) is in Hush. She's a quiet sort, who stutters,
and particularly in her first year spoke more through subtle actions
then she did with words. Yet there were times when the slightest
peep from her had serious repercussions. In "Family"
Tara put a spell on her friends for fear they would learn she
was a demon. She punctuated her spell with a nonverbal blowing
of dust from her hand. When Tara was mad from Glory's powers,
a mere look at Dawn & a slip of the tongue was all it took for
Glory's season long search to be at an end. Tara was in a quiet
way the most powerful of Scoobies when it came to body language.
She could tell before anyone else when something was wrong. Second
only to Giles, Tara stood up against Willow when she sensed Willow's
use of magic would be her undoing. Tara quietly sat there by Buffy's
side after Joyce's passing, and gave quiet comfort to the Slayer
when no one else could. Tara read Spike's body language during
the episode "Trapped" when Buffy had decided to try
and go cold turkey from his affections, communicating both verbally
& nonverbally to Spike in ways that kept the secret safe but made
things clear with Spike where Tara stood. There were things about
Tara we knew without her having to make a speech about them. We
understood her loyalties and her dislikes. Much of this is to
the credit of Amber Benson's exceptional acting talents - for
she was able to put on the screen things that no writer could
put on a page, while still being true to the material given.
When we first see her in Hush, her body language tells us volumes.
She's not quick to speak up for herself. Her demeanor lacks self-confidence
and certainty. She appears to have mostly gone through life seen
and not heard. She let others speak on her behalf. She also seems
to have quite a bit of fear behind those eyes, like a skittish
but adorable little bunny rabbit who has had one too many brushes
with noisy cars on county roads. What we don't learn in this first
encounter is that the very concept of Tara attending college was
an act of defiance against her upbringing. Only recently had she
begun to take a stand for herself, and was uncertain with her
newfound place in the world, like a newly born fawn just getting
her legs underneath her. However, that too can be sensed from
Benson's early performances.
Second perhaps only to Buffy in this episode, Tara herself has
the most physical action of the episode. She fashions a plan for
survival without any outside input. She puts it into action by
collecting her magic books and rushing towards Willow's dorm room.
On the way there, she is confronted by The Gentlemen, who chase
Tara across the college campus and force her to run. This chase
scene is slightly echoed later in the season when Oz learns Tara
& Willow had by then become an item.
Rather haphazardly, Tara finally makes her destination. She runs
into Willow, and together they continue the chase. Locking themselves
inside a small room, with only a heavy soda machine to keep the
fae at bay, they attempt to conventionally move the machine to
the door. Willow noticeably twists her ankle and falls to the
floor. Tara runs to her side.
Now comes the single most effective nonverbal moment in all of
Hush, and perhaps the entire series. Tara looks into Willow's
eyes. They take hands. Then immediately both look towards the
soda fountain and the door. With their accumulated power of magic,
they telekinetically accomplish what their physical prowess could
not, thus protecting themselves from their would-be captors. It's
a powerful, compelling moment. In that instance their relationship
seems destined and locked. Friends. Sisters. Lovers. Fated.
Never in any appearance of Tara throughout the series did Tara
seem incapable of reading body language. She wasn't good when
it came to words, but she could sense from what people didn't
say in a room whether or not she was truly welcome. Her empathy
seemed unparalleled. Benson projected simultaneously a respect
and joy for life coupled with a perpetual melancholy. Not easy
to do. Much of it was without words. She is to be commended.
Now, on the opposite side of this body language spectrum character-wise
(but certainly not acting wise as they're both very talented)
was the role of Xander in Hush, played of course by Nicholas Brendan.
While Tara communicated as much or more with deeds as words, Xander's
always been mostly the opposite, and when The Gentlemen stole
their voices, Xander was like a fish out of water.
[I have more to say but have run out of time presently. Perhaps
Darby or someone else can step in and do the compare and contrast
of Xander's actions both in Hush and elsewhere throughout the
series. There are many moments where to the audience a character's
body language gave one thing away but Xander was oblivious to
it. An inability to read body lanuage is a very telling and consistent
aspect of Xander's character throughout the run of the series.]
[> Wonderful job on Tara
-- Dochawk, 16:14:15 01/13/03 Mon
And I think AB used her body language to project her vulnerability
even when people worried she was a demon in Family. Because even
then, she had most of us empathizing with her.
The rest of
the season on BtVS and AtS: **NO** spoilers -- Wisewoman,
16:25:27 01/13/03 Mon
Now, you all know what a Spoiler Trollop I am and always have
been. The only thing I refrain (sp?) from these days is the wildfeeds;
everything else is fair game.
In some ways this restricts the amount of posting I can do on
this board, because it's impossible to comment on various speculation
without revealing that you know what is (or isn't) going
to happen. That's okay--I've come to terms with it.
But sometimes, like today, I just gotta say, Whoo Boy!
I look at the panorama of the available spoilers and it's really
exciting. There's some dynamite stuff comin' down the pike and
I think we're all going to be surprised, intrigued, astonished,
delighted, demented, and various other things by what the February
sweeps period serves up. I wouldn't spoil anyone else for the
world--I just want to tell you that it's going to be so
interesting. Damn, I love these shows...
;o) dub
[> Thanks for the reassurance!
-- Masq, the ever pure one, 16:59:21 01/13/03 Mon
[> Wisewoman, this is just
what I wanted to hear! :) -- Ixchel, 17:01:51 01/13/03
Mon
Especially with all this talk about S7 being the last for BtVS.
:(
Thanks for the care not to spoil, I swore off them last year when
I found they seemed to, well, "spoil" the show for me
just a bit. ;)
Ixchel
[> Can't wait! Don't know
if I can! -- Dichotomy, 17:30:27 01/13/03 Mon
Dubdub, you're this close to sucking me back through to the Trollop
board. I can hardly stand the suspense!
[> [> Don't want to lead
you astray... -- dub, 17:35:29 01/13/03 Mon
There's no big news today specifically, so I really don't want
to send you off to the Spoiler Dimension, it's just the totality
of spoilers for both shows, taken together, so many outrageous
things coming up...it almost makes me gaspy!!
;o)
[> I've reclaimed my Spoiler
Virginity, but even so . . . -- HonorH, 18:31:45 01/13/03
Mon
I swore off everything except TV Guide blurbs and UPN's worse-than-useless
previews at the beginning of the year. Now I'm thinking of giving
up even those in order to get the maximum impact of eps as they
air. Nonetheless, it's good to hear great stuff is coming down
the pike. I'm totally jazzed about where the show is going, and
if the back end of the season can keep up with the front end,
we're in for one hell of a ride.
**Note: I swore off BtVS spoilers only. Thanks to my WB-impaired
situation, I go whole hog for Angelic spoilers as I invariably
am totally spoiled by the time I can get the eps anyway. And if
the spoilers I've gotten for AtS are anywhere near the truth,
things are going to be *very* interesting for the AI crew before
the season is out.
[> Question for dubdub...
-- Rob, 19:08:25 01/13/03 Mon
I'm being completely spoiler free this year, but I just have to
ask you this.
Without giving any details, can you please just tell me if any
spoilers indicate whether Xander is going to be having a larger
part to play in the second half of the season?
Rob
[> [> Answer to Rob's
question...so you know what it might be spoilery for... --
dub, 19:21:41 01/13/03 Mon
Nothing I have heard or seen indicates that, but nothing prevents
it, either.
[> [> Answer for Rob.....yes
-- Rufus, 21:51:24 01/13/03 Mon
[> About the "O"
word -- Deb, 23:49:02 01/13/03 Mon
Hi Wisewoman. Long time, no hear.
"O" is for the outrageous.
I just need to know if my academic blubbering regarding "no
shippiness" on Buffy between two blonds is incorrect. I kinda
hope so. : ) Outrageously wrong would be good.
[> [> More "O"
in dream -- Deb, 23:52:39 01/13/03 Mon
I just woke up, and I mean just woke up, from a dream where the
last thing I saw was Cordillia stepping out of a limo (black of
course) in a wedding dress. And, yes, it looked "O"
expensive.
Jung might say I'm dreaming of me . . . . Jung is wrong sometimes.
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